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micheldeman 04-06-2018 07:22 AM

Fitting a 1.3 rallye engine and gearbox into a 1.4 AX GT mono point injection.
 
I am thinking of fitting my spare 1.3 rallye engine with 1.3 inlet and gearbox into my AX 1.4 GT, which has only 75HP with mono point injection.
Apart from wiring, this wouldn't be a difficult modification I think.

And with 100HP and only 720KG's even faster and more fun than a S1 rallye:)

I need to use the 1.3 ECU and use the 1.3 wiring loom obviously which I have both spare too. Just not sure about other wiring like to dash board meters etc. Has anyone done this swap before?

Are the engine and gearbox mounting points the same?

I suggest I would swap to the wishbones and ARB from a 106 GTI or rallye and upgrade the front dampers and springs and dampers at the rear at the same time?

thanks

some pics of the car that I just bought.

https://myalbum.com/photo/igpDAc5l1v9R/360.jpg

https://myalbum.com/photo/AlYqRlIgye7c/360.jpg

MHR1294 05-06-2018 04:58 PM

Ohh a mk2 AX.

Well in that case it's exactly the same as an S1 106, all mounting points identical for engine and suspension if memory serves me correctly.

I think even the dashboard wiring is the same last time I looked at a diagram. So an early S1 106 dash will work directly with the AX wiring loom, as will the 1.3 engine loom.

micheldeman 05-06-2018 05:10 PM

Thanks for your reply. It's a mk1 AX, year of manufacturing is 1989. It has the orange blinking lights at the front.

It doesn't have the round connector like my 106 s1 rallye where the engine loom goes into the wing.

So, probably not just plug and play?

MHR1294 06-06-2018 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by micheldeman (Post 875442)
Thanks for your reply. It's a mk1 AX, year of manufacturing is 1989. It has the orange blinking lights at the front.

It doesn't have the round connector like my 106 s1 rallye where the engine loom goes into the wing.

So, probably not just plug and play?

My mistake I never even noticed the orange indicators etc! That's what I get for not reading your post properly! :D

The wiring at the dashboard is still the same but you'll need to do some loom splicing at the chassis plug.

micheldeman 07-06-2018 06:44 AM

The s1 rallye has a combined oil level and temperature meter on the dash. On the dash of the AX, there's an oil level indicator (light only), but not an oil temperature meter. That's something to remark.

https://myalbum.com/photo/fw67VqyjfmdD/360.jpg


ECU and plug are different to the ECU of a s1 rallye.

https://myalbum.com/photo/L9wvg7q4MmKL/360.jpg

However, the AX GTI has multipoint injection and a coil pack ignition and therefore more like an S1 rallye. Checking some pics on the internet shows that the ECU plug of a AX gti looks the same, although it's a bosch ECU and not a magneti marelli, but pin wise maybe compatible, or at least adaptable to a S1 ECU plug. It may be worth sourcing a GTI wiring loom and adapt that one to the S1 1.3 engine and S1 inlet.

Here's a link to youtube of someone who has fitted a s1 rallye inlet on a AX GTI.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMZrbNd5H1s

Still need to check the dash and meters as you can see on that video that the GTI dash layout differs from the AX GT one that I have.

welshpug 07-06-2018 08:26 AM

youll need to splice in tge plug from the AX onto the rallye loom, pretty straightforward really, buzz back from each plug on the loom to each wire in the main loom olug.

specifically to make it run you need very few wires connected, one is main live to double relay, 2nd is switched ignition live, starter solenoid wire, fuel pump, and earth the loom.

wiring diagrams will help but not absolutely necessary.

micheldeman 07-06-2018 10:03 AM

Ok, thanks,

so if I understand you correctly: install the rallye ECU and rallye loom as is but keep and splice only those wires of the AX ECU plug onto the rallye ECU plug for the functions like those you mentioned above?

I have a 106 haynes manual and the AX haynes manual is on the way. So will have a closer look at the diagrams and see for which wires and functions I need to splice the AX loom/ecu plug onto the rallye loom/ecu plug.

Cool

micheldeman 10-06-2018 09:52 AM

What TU engine is 1FSON?
This is what the aluminium plate says that's riveted to the engine block.

I found it, there was another small plate just in front of the other one covered in oil and dirt which says KDZ.

welshpug 10-06-2018 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by micheldeman (Post 875446)
Ok, thanks,

so if I understand you correctly: install the rallye ECU and rallye loom as is but keep and splice only those wires of the AX ECU plug onto the rallye ECU plug for the functions like those you mentioned above?

that is the minimum to get it running, the rest is auxillary, i.e gauges/warning lights


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