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Old 01-03-2006, 08:35 PM   #1
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Oil advice and recommendations here

I get asked many questions about oil so I thought a thread here for all oil related questions would be a good idea and build into a FAQ or reference point for others.

So, put your oil questions here but please give the following information if you would like a recommendation:

Make
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Year
Engine size/type

Any mods

Type of use (road/track)

Additional info (max oil temps, current oil used)

What do you want a recommendation for? Engine, Gearbox etc?

I hope this will help and become a useful thread

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Old 01-03-2006, 08:39 PM   #2
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Make 205
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Year 1989
Engine size/type s1 rallye engine just been rebuilt and running in so will be looking to change the oil soon

Any mods ill have a 4-2-1 manin soon(tm)

Type of use (road/track) fast road?

Additional info (max oil temps, current oil used) engine runns around 80/85 normal running temps , then up to 90ish i assume

What do you want a recommendation for? Engine, Gearbox etc?

Im changing the gear box for a 66k item and iv got to change the oil in the engine as i mentioned once shes bedded in.


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Old 01-03-2006, 08:47 PM   #3
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Ok,

For the engine, once run in is complete I would look at a 5w-40 full synthetic for all year round use, go for an ester based on such as the Silkolene Pro S or Motul 300v and they are shear stable upto and beyond 120degc.

For teh gearbox, a 75w-90 GL4 is ideal, again as the car will be worked hard on country roads then a synthetic is the way to go, have a look at Motul, Silkolene and Amsoil.

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Old 01-03-2006, 09:12 PM   #4
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Make: Peugeot
Model: 106 Rallye, S2
Year: 97
Engine size/type: 1.6l 8v.
Mods: Catback exhaust, BMC CDA-Box, re-mapped ECU.
Type of use (road/track): Fast road usage and daily usage.

Additional info (max oil temps, current oil used):

Never been up in the red area in oil-temp area yet. So I guess sub 120 C oiltemperatures.
Bare in mind that I live in Sweden, the oil must perform good when cold. I have also started to notice that gearbox can feel somewhat crunchy sometimes, a gearbox oil that helps the syncros bite better could possibly help?

Currently using: Mobil1 0w40 Synt.
Gearbox: Quaker State Quadrolube 75w (recommended by local Peugeot garage for easy gearchanges...).

Some of the brands on your site isn't available in Sweden, well anyway not where I normally buy stuff for my car. Mobil1, Castrol and Pennzoil are the most common brands around here...


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Old 01-03-2006, 09:49 PM   #5
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Cant recommend Opie Oils enough.

Got me 10Ltrs of Silkoline 5w 40 Pro S within 48hours and got members discount too
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Old 02-03-2006, 09:05 AM   #6
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Make 106
Model GTI
Year 1998
Engine size/type 1.6 16v

Any mods PugSport Exhaust (de-cat), Simota Induction Kit, Stainless Steel Manifold

Type of use (road/track) Road

Additional info (max oil temps, current oil used) Currently using Mobil 1 0W-40 fully synthetic

What do you want a recommendation for? Engine, Gearbox etc? Both

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Old 15-03-2006, 07:23 PM   #7
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For the engine either 10w-40 semi-synthetic (budget option) or 5w-40 synthetic (quality option) and 75w-90 for the gearbox.

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Old 15-03-2006, 07:30 PM   #8
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just bought mobil 0-40w, fully synthetic (cos it was on offer) and castrol smx-s fully synthetic gear oil 75w-85, did i make a good choice?

Make peugeot
Model 106 rallye (s2)
Year 1998
Engine size/type 1.6 8v

Any mods pug sport, 4-2-1 mani, cam, nitrous(on it's way)

Type of use (road/track) fast road

Additional info (max oil temps, current oil used) silkolene 5w-40 and castol 75w-80 semi syth
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Old 15-03-2006, 07:46 PM   #9
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It depends what you mean. Mobil1 is not better than Silkolene Pro S if your car is modded or used on track as Silkolene Pro S is an out and out race oil, Mobil1 is not.

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Old 15-03-2006, 08:08 PM   #10
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Make: Peugeot
Model: 106 Rallye
Year: 1998
Engine size/type: 1.6 16v

Any mods

throttle bodies, cams, headwork etc

Type of use (road/track): track mostly, but still required for weekly jolly's. will be used in winter minimally, but garaged.

Additional info (max oil temps, current oil used)

current oil is, some pretty basic normal sutff. mobil 1 semi-synth, just being used as finsihing of running in the engine. prolly about 1500-2000 miles on it max.

What do you want a recommendation for? Engine, Gearbox etc?

engine oil and gearbox. gearbox about to get rebuild, with quaife dif. possibly might be looking at a dog engagement gear set.
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Old 15-03-2006, 08:14 PM   #11
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Rich, I bet Simon/Guy will suggest Silkolene Pro S 10W-50 engine and Syn 5 box oil.

(Do you have an oil cooler?)
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Old 15-03-2006, 08:19 PM   #12
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yeah expect so, i was thinking pro s, but im not really clued up on the viscosity ratings. what value's what again? also you think a dog box would be manly enough? with a long first and close 2/3/4/5 shaft speeds should be better? also the syncro system is differnt, stronger? could do with ringing tms tomorrow and get the low down!!?
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Old 15-03-2006, 08:24 PM   #13
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Er. Lower rating is winter rating, sort of thickness from cold and upper rating is ability to cope under high temps. Or something. Search for oilman's previous posts.

Dunno about dog boxes really. If you don't use a dog box properly and match speeds with gears then you might as well flush money down the bog. I still reckon a nicely rebuilt box with ATB will do you OK.
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Also noticed halfords are trying to entering into the world of track days etc. They now sell a track day oil, 15w-50, fully syth. But as oilman has said before, halfords stuff isn't ester based and therefore can't perform to extremes.
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Old 16-03-2006, 07:54 AM   #15
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Mankee is spot on.

5w-40 Pro S for the gearbox, ideal for track and road work.

Silkolene Syn5 75w-90 for the gearbox, this oil is also aporved by quaife.

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Old 23-01-2009, 09:23 AM   #16
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Time to resurrect this old thread.

We have re-registered as a trader now so if you guys need any recommendations or have any questions on oils then please get posting.

All the best for 2009.

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Old 22-03-2009, 11:41 PM   #17
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Is this one suitable for the standard s2 1.6 8v?

http://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-805-mobi...ngine-oil.aspx

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Old 23-03-2009, 10:07 AM   #18
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It is indeed ideal
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Old 23-03-2009, 10:29 AM   #19
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Model: S1 106 Rallye
Year: 1994
Engine size/type: 1600 8v S2 rallye head, C2 VTS 1600 16v JP4 bottom end

Any mods: pugsport exhaust system, 4 branch mani, R6 bike carbs, (Possible head work and cam on the way)
Type of use (road/track) will be used for mainly road and a few track days
Additional info (max oil temps, current oil used) 10-40 semi synthetic

What do you want a recommendation for? Engine, Gearbox etc? Would like recomendations on the engine and a freshly rebuild gearbox please.
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Will there be some more free postage promotions soon Simon/Guy? I'm itching to buy some Pro S 10W-50 and Syn 5.

But my, but my wallet is taking a battering because of a second engine failure in 30 days.
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Make: CITROEN
Model: AX SPORT
Year: 1987
Engine size/type: 1297cc (2x 40mm double carburettor Weber)

Any mods:

AX sport head, ported and made to suit a race/rally camshaft (310 degrees kentcam). Late type ax GTI lower engineblock (same as a 1.4 XSI cast Iron) which is lowered (shaved the top of) so it becomes a 1.3L again. Pistons pocketed. 4-1 manifold. Full race engine. Car is expected to drive on it's own power to the hillclimb/race site.

Type of use (road/track)

Track (and a bit of road sections)

Additional info (max oil temps, current oil used)

No Idea Engine is built (but not in car yet)

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Make: Peugeot
Model: S1 106 Rallye
Year: 1994
Engine size/type: 1600 8v S2 rallye head, C2 VTS 1600 16v JP4 bottom end

Any mods: pugsport exhaust system, 4 branch mani, R6 bike carbs, (Possible head work and cam on the way)
Type of use (road/track) will be used for mainly road and a few track days
Additional info (max oil temps, current oil used) 10-40 semi synthetic

What do you want a recommendation for? Engine, Gearbox etc? Would like recomendations on the engine and a freshly rebuild gearbox please.
Thanks John
John,

for the engine upgrade to a 5w-40 syntheic for better quality, go for somehting decent such as teh Motul 8100 Xcess or if you want the best the ester based Silkolene Pro S 5w-40 here http://www.opieoils.co.uk/c-656-5w-40.aspx##

For the gearbox a GL5 75w-80 such as the Fuchs Titan Sintopoid or the Redline Lightweight gear oil http://www.opieoils.co.uk/c-670-75w-80-75w-85-mtfs.aspx

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Will there be some more free postage promotions soon Simon/Guy? I'm itching to buy some Pro S 10W-50 and Syn 5.

But my, but my wallet is taking a battering because of a second engine failure in 30 days.
I am sure we can do something mate, give me a shout.

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Make: Peugeot France
Model: 106 Rallye S1
Year: 1996
Engine size/type: 1294cc TU MFZ

Engine Mods:
None

Type of use: Road

Additional info (max oil temps, current oil used): LIQUI MOLY MoS2 Leichtlauf 10W40
Normal Operating temperature: 80C
Max Temperature (when raving): 100C
Refresh oil period: Every 5000 KM
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10w-40 synthetic is ideal for your S1, I am not convinced by the moly stuff personally, what other brands can you get?

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Guy, at what temperatures do mineral engine oil and gear oil start to breakdown and oxidize? Also the same question for synthetics?
I am lead to believe, mineral oils start to fail at around 110-120*C and synthetics around 160*C, but i would really like to know for definate.
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Its really hard to say, depends on quality and viscosity for both mineral and synthetic. There is so many out there, where do you start.

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As i havent put oil in my car for a while, I have forgotten the advantages of fully synthetic oils over semi. I have used semi-synthetic 10w-40 for my s1 engine(83K) previously, is this the best choice? I think I steered away from fully synthetic 5w-40 thinking it was too extreeme(thin?) for everyday road use- would I be correct?

Had a look on opieoils, and the Mobil Super s 10w-40 semi-synth looks good (replacing head gasket soon...)
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Its really hard to say, depends on quality and viscosity for both mineral and synthetic. There is so many out there, where do you start.

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OK, I just thought you may have had some ball park figures for the more common high quality oils, such as Castrol mineral oils and maybe Valvoline synthetics etc?
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10w-40 synthetic is ideal for your S1, I am not convinced by the moly stuff personally, what other brands can you get?

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Hey guy, Thanks for the reply...

I can get oil from this brands:
Motul
Esso
Castrol

I thought LM are the best.. they are also the most expensive here.. (Israel).

Also, can i have your recommendation for the type of Gear oil I should use ?

Again, Many thank..
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OK, I just thought you may have had some ball park figures for the more common high quality oils, such as Castrol mineral oils and maybe Valvoline synthetics etc?

Mineral oils is hard to say but they wont be very happy much past 100degc, synthetic 5w-40 eg will be happy at 110/115 degc all day long, an ester based syntnetic 5w-40 is good for 130degc all day long, an ester based 10w-50 or 15w-50 should be good for 150degc all day.

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Hey guy, Thanks for the reply...

I can get oil from this brands:
Motul
Esso
Castrol

I thought LM are the best.. they are also the most expensive here.. (Israel).

Also, can i have your recommendation for the type of Gear oil I should use ?

Again, Many thank..
Ooohh, I would go for Motul out of that lot its great stuff. especially hte 300v if you can find it.

For the gearbox a 75w-90 or 75w-80 meeting GL5.

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Mineral oils is hard to say but they wont be very happy much past 100degc, synthetic 5w-40 eg will be happy at 110/115 degc all day long, an ester based syntnetic 5w-40 is good for 130degc all day long, an ester based 10w-50 or 15w-50 should be good for 150degc all day.

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Thanks, i wasn't too far out with my temps, just nice to back it up .
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Bought some oil on monday and received it yesterday!

Cheers guy, will defo be using you again
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Model - S1 106 RallyE
Year - 1994
Engine size/type - 1.3 (High mileage though)

Any mods - Standard

Type of use (road/track) - Everyday road

Additional info (max oil temps, current oil used) Not sure :/

What do you want a recommendation for? Engine, Gearbox etc? Both would be good...

And while im here, i've been told to use a semi synthetic oil in it, would motorbike oil be ok to use in it as im told they have more additives and are designed to rev higher so are good for car engines? And what grade seeing as though its a high-miler? Cheers

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Thanks guy..

I will buy this oil on the next oil refresh time.
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Make - Peugeot
Model - S1 106 RallyE
Year - 1994
Engine size/type - 1.3 (High mileage though)

Any mods - Standard

Type of use (road/track) - Everyday road

Additional info (max oil temps, current oil used) Not sure :/

What do you want a recommendation for? Engine, Gearbox etc? Both would be good...

And while im here, i've been told to use a semi synthetic oil in it, would motorbike oil be ok to use in it as im told they have more additives and are designed to rev higher so are good for car engines? And what grade seeing as though its a high-miler? Cheers
I would look at a decent 5w-40 synthetic for all year round use, high miles wont matter if the engine is in good shape, also dont be folled by people who say you must use semi syn thetic, its not true you can use either.

For the gearbox a 75w-80 GL5 such as this one here from Fuchs http://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-981-fuch...ion-fluid.aspx

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Guy what is the process for changing from semi to fully synth? a flush etc?
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So 10/40 semi synthetic wont be any good in mine then?
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Guy what is the process for changing from semi to fully synth? a flush etc?

Drain and replace

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So 10/40 semi synthetic wont be any good in mine then?
It will be fine but not as good as fully.

You'll also need to replace more frequently than synthetic.

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Cheers for that, so would motorbike oil be as good as/better to run in it?
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No difference between using a bike or car oil for running in.

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Im interested to see what you recomend

Make - Peugeot
Model - 205 gti
Year - 1987
Engine size/type - 2.2xu10 (gti6 hybrid)

Any mods - full race sandy brown engine 8k+ revs

Type of use (road/track) - track / hill

Additional info (max oil temps, current oil used) New engine so untested oil and filter changed after every event on the old engine just to be safe will do the same with this one

What do you want a recommendation for? Engine, Gearbox etc? engine

As i get through a lot of oil do you do offers for bulk orders?
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I bet thats good fun, I know someone who is considering doing the same. what oil are you currently using? Unless oil temps are excessive I would look to use a 5w-40 synthetic for maximum power, ester base for maximum protection so have a look at the likes of the Silkolene Pro S and the Motul 300v. How often are you changing your oil?

Also, what gearbox are you using? The 5 speed from the 205 or the 6 speed from the GTI-6?

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I placed my order over the weekend Guy! I haven't ordered from you for ages. The website was a joy to use and taking PayPal is dangerous as it's so easy to spend loads of money. Thanks chaps. Keep up the good work.
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Mankee, thanks for the order

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I bet thats good fun, I know someone who is considering doing the same. what oil are you currently using? Unless oil temps are excessive I would look to use a 5w-40 synthetic for maximum power, ester base for maximum protection so have a look at the likes of the Silkolene Pro S and the Motul 300v. How often are you changing your oil?

Also, what gearbox are you using? The 5 speed from the 205 or the 6 speed from the GTI-6?

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Hi
Thanks for the reply iv been changing the oil every event / trackday and the filter just to be safe with the old engine do think its wise to do this again or go for a diffrent oil and keep it in there for a bit longer? i was using 5w-50 synthetic valvoline last year but im looking what to use now and whats the best deal as i use a fair bit Gearbox i use 5speed with gripper plate diff.

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If you go for something like the Silkolene Pro S 5w-40 it will give you 10 solid back to back track hours or 8-10,000 miles so you will get your moneys worth from it.

What gearbox oil are you usiing?

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If you go for something like the Silkolene Pro S 5w-40 it will give you 10 solid back to back track hours or 8-10,000 miles so you will get your moneys worth from it.

What gearbox oil are you usiing?

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Sounds like a good buy then as i could safley leave it in there for two events or even three.
Would there be any additional discount if i bought 20L?

Im using the 5 speed be box 1.9 ratios 4.4cwp and a gripper plate diff.

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Sounds like a good buy then as i could safley leave it in there for two events or even three.
Would there be any additional discount if i bought 20L?

Im using the 5 speed be box 1.9 ratios 4.4cwp and a gripper plate diff.

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Dan,

Yep you get discount, no problem.

For the gearbox I would have a look at the Moptul Gear300 75w-90 or the Silkolene Syn5 75w-90 here https://www.opieoils.co.uk/admin/default.aspx

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Ordered on Sunday, arrived today! Top service as per usual chaps. Thanks and all the best.
Excellent, glad it all got there ok

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Engine size/type: converted 1.6 16v 99' gti. covered approx85-90k

Any mods: raceland induction, raceland 4-2-1 manifold, std centre pipe(pre cat), with stainless peco silencer

Type of use (road/track): mostly work horse but drive to and from work country roads so i like to give it a blast

Additional info (max oil temps, current oil used): dont often drive for long enough to get oil temp up:P using cheapy comma 10-40. i think its too thick as when i give it a blast the buckets/tappets get a little noisey.

the gearbox is a 1.4 xsi covered approx 90-95k using 75-90 cheap make.

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