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Old 20-07-2008, 05:08 AM   #101
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Colin will give you a separate price, but you need all the associated bits really to make it fit together properly.
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Old 27-07-2008, 04:32 PM   #102
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any more news on these yet fellas? got my bodys here just awaiting postal address off colin, cheers.
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Old 27-07-2008, 05:58 PM   #103
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Will be making some progress this week, got a bit side tracked with other stuff last week.
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Old 12-08-2008, 03:52 PM   #104
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Alright guys, try not to mock me too much, is this setup turning bike carbs into throttle bodies? As in using the cars injectors and engine mangement? If so is this only possible with GSXR 1000 carbs or could you use my cbr 900 honda fireblade carbs? Im starting to get mega confused?!?

OK JUST FIGURED IT OUT I THINK!!!! Sorry for being so dumb they arnt carbs!?! they are throttle bodies I feel a twat if thats the case!!!!!!!!!! So will i get a better power gain from sandys set up then slapping the bike carbs on? I should think its way more efficient. Would this kit fit a tu5jp4?

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Old 12-08-2008, 04:01 PM   #105
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No mocking required

It's using the throttle bodies from the fuel injection GSXR, with programmable management, rather than carbs.

Time will tell if it makes good power! But we gone to a great deal of trouble to make sure it's got good tract designs and resolving all the fiddly issues that should make them nice to use, reliable etc.
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Old 12-08-2008, 05:03 PM   #106
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Yeah im really intrested, this must be a way better way to do it the just slapping on bike carbs. Im going to flog my carbs and find me some gsxr bodies this setuplooks sunning. will it fit a tu5jp4 though?

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Old 12-08-2008, 06:06 PM   #107
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We haven't made a JP4 flange specifically yet (although we plan to), but you can re-drill the JP4 head for the J4 flange quite easily.
Don't forget to bear in mind the cost of a programmable ECU, loom and mapping.
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Whats the latest on these Sandy, any updates?
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Old 12-08-2008, 07:09 PM   #109
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Colin's been working on the final details, such as making the GTI injectors fit, which is a bit of a mission on its own! I think that might have to be optional, because it's quite laborious.
Once I've got the first set up running, I'll be able to verify how suitable the GSXR injectors are and we'll take it from there.
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Thanks for the reply Sandy, I look forward to the results!
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Old 12-08-2008, 10:29 PM   #111
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If i got the loom and jive would you be able to set it up? As in wire in the throttle sensor into the loom or will that have to be wired into my cars loom?
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Old 13-08-2008, 06:14 PM   #112
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is it still going to be £450 if we have to use the gsxr injectors? as my cars been mapped on bodies with standard injectors. cheers.
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Old 13-08-2008, 06:42 PM   #113
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Making the Pico injectors fit will have to be extra, simply because of the work involved. The simplest (and hence cheapest) solution of course will be to use the GSXR injectors, but I haven't established their flow rate or how well they work yet.
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Old 14-08-2008, 05:51 PM   #114
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also the injectors use a different plug which would mean pulling my wiring loom apart again.... hmmm, ive already sent mine down to colin aswell, il wait and see what he comes up with then, cheers for the updates mate
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Old 14-08-2008, 07:25 PM   #115
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The injector plugs are virtually impossible to buy loose. However, if you have the sub loom that normally comes on the TBs, I can put a plug on it to connect to the ECU loom.
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Old 15-08-2008, 08:30 AM   #116
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I think it is easier to make brackets on the manifold to get your standard fuel rail and injectors on. I close the injectorholes on the bodies.

Thats the way i will do the fabrication. I put the injectors at the same place as original. When its ready i will post some pictures!
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Old 15-08-2008, 07:17 PM   #117
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It's not that simple sadly, because they don't fit the TBs end and the spacing's wrong. Whichever way it's done, it's work.
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Old 16-08-2008, 09:45 PM   #118
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came accross this page, thought it might be usefull to you guys

http://www.sbdev.co.uk/Hayabusa/Suzu...busa%20Kit.htm

they do adaptors for the pico injectors too fit gsxr bodies, £35
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Old 16-08-2008, 10:37 PM   #119
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Ideal!
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Old 17-08-2008, 07:44 AM   #120
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Looks pretty similar to what Colin's made! He's bored down in the body too though.
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Old 17-08-2008, 07:46 AM   #121
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thats strange as my vts peco injector fitted my tbs without any work?
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Old 17-08-2008, 05:17 PM   #122
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how much would it be to make the 16v kit suitable for 8 injector setup?
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Old 17-08-2008, 06:14 PM   #123
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is there any advantage over 8 injectors? you would hav to ifnd out if the injector spacing on the later 8 injector bodies is the same as the k1-3 bodies
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Using 8 injectors I would mount a set in by the head, with the OE fuel rail. That will probably add around 150 to the cost though, it's a fair bit more work.
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I would mount a set in by the head, with the OE fuel rail.
That's the way I'll make the setup!
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Old 28-08-2008, 11:34 AM   #126
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anyone got this set up, up and running yet? iv got my boddies but just waiting on funds to get them fitted.
But realy curious as to what the gains are going to be
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Old 28-08-2008, 11:57 AM   #127
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Colin is still working on them.

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Old 28-08-2008, 02:17 PM   #128
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cheers, that was my first post actualy lol. didnt realise iv never posted on here

i joined to talk to sandy bout this origionally so iv stuck to pm's

iv got my bodies sat at home and im gagging to get them on....
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Old 03-09-2008, 03:38 PM   #129
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in theoey could you take the injectors out of the bodies and leave the standard ones in there normal place? or is there a reason not too?
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On the 8v you can keep the OE injector position, but it's part of the plastic manifold on the 16v.
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yeah, iv just started taking a few bits apart to have a look at what's gona happen...

what happens to all of the electrical bits you have to unplug? are they just left or are they still needed?

also whats the plan for the injectors, which ones are going to be used?



http://www.sbdev.co.uk/Hayabusa/Suzu...busa%20Kit.htm

on this page, what part is actualy need to run the standard injectors?

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You'll need the throttle position sensor, they are specific to the bodies more or less. If you have the loom for the GSXR injectors, it's essential if you want to use those injectors.

Getting the injectors to fit isn't as simple as it looks on these bodies and it's important to get it right, for safety and good fuel mixing. Colin's making a heap of adapters later this week, but the bodies themselves still need fettling.
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what do you mean by the gsxr loom? all the bits and plugs coming from the injectors ect? i think im gona stop playing and send em to you lol. i took out the second set of butterflys if thats any help lol.

so just to clear things in my head when i recieve them back from you and colin will there be all new plugs to fit in all of my plugs ect? and what happens about the pipe that comes from the brake servo
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colins just finished my set, and they look mint! very high standard of fabrication has gone into it judging by the pictures he sent me, il have them fitted asap and il report back with engine bay pics ect
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^^ good stuff, i didnt kon that the kits plans were entirely finished yet, definatly look foward to seing pics ect, you will have to put up a vid of the sound of it
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i think mine was the prototype one, yer i will, i was running gsxr 600 bodies on a silicone tube connection manifold before hand, so il see how this compares and get it on the rollers to compare the graphs, shud be interesting
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Sandy sorry mate but is this kit your making everything you need to fit and run??? and do you provide everything and we just buy the whole package off you?
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The kit includes what is needed to fit the manifold, bodies and trumpets. There is a vacuum take of provided for the servo connection.

Wiring and management need to be tackled separately.

A couple pics of the finished 16v set up. The 8v set up will hopefully be finished later today....





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Old 04-09-2008, 08:09 AM   #139
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they look really good fair play. excited to get mine!
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they look pretty facking sexy I will say!! You are the man Sandy!
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right so its not a case of just plugging it all back in......

im a little worried now, so how much extra work needs to go into the wiring then?

and again what happens to the pipe from the brake servo?
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Cheers Lewis, Hank, a heap of time and effort has gone in!

We'll be fitting some soon and probably the best idea is to detail/report the process, costs and what's involved to the last nut and bolt, so that people can see clearly what it takes and give you a clear idea of what you're getting into.

What we set out to do is take make a bike TB set up that we could confidently use on a race engine or a fussy road engine, knowing that it would work well, without the compromises usually associated with bike TB set ups. Quality is the priority.

There is a connection provided in the manifold for the brake servo pipe connection.
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Its really not as simple as plugging everything in, its simply won't run on the standard ecu either, if it was that easy everyone would be doing it! Do to a proper job you NEED standalone management (400 - 700) and new loom which you'll have to build yourself (100 ish for parts) and have it mapped by someone who know what they are doing. I get the feeling you haven't thought this though!

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There is a vacuum take of provided for the servo connection.
Bodies look great guys, I like the throttle linkage alterations, can't wait to get mine back
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the way in which the bodies are secured to the manifold is nice thinking
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They do look very nice indeed! Are they 40mm trumpets Sandy? What the total length of the inlet tract from the face of the head to the trumpet mouth?
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The trumpets are 42mm bore. It's about 220mm from the head face, which is a bit shorter than I'd like, but necessitated by most people asking for room for a proper filter. We will be making longer trumpets in due course that can be swapped easily.
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Sorry I didnt make myself clear lol, whats the length of those trumpets?
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I don't know, about 40mm, it's the overall tract that matters.
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I'm sitting here grinning from ear to ear, they look awesome!!

Pics of 8v setup please!!!
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