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Old 17-01-2015, 09:50 AM   #1
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New car time diesel for towing..

Since buying a trailer for the rallye I've had a 2.0 petrol mondeo, it does pull the rallye but it isn't amazing. In short I need more torque.
I do really like the mondeo and I've been looking at st's there's one up the road for 2.5k and its had the flywheel and clutch done. Or even a titanium x 2.2.
After doing some reading there known for a few issues that can work out to be rather expensive.
What else should I be looking at? A powerful petrol isn't a no go so open to options on them.

I have a basic license so the combined weight needs to be within 3.5 tonnes and the rallye and trailer comes in at around 1200kg
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Old 17-01-2015, 10:28 AM   #2
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Volvo 850 or V70 T5 estate. Had 2 850's; a T5 and 850R, both phenomenal cars and 100% reliable, even with over 170,000 miles in the case of the R. Can be bought quite cheaply and most come fully loaded. Almost raced one a few years back but that's another story!!!

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Old 17-01-2015, 11:43 AM   #3
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I use a VW Passat 1.9 tdi 130, pulls my trailer and car which are about 1200kg's ok and has a bit of space for tools and spares. Must admit it is a bit of a trade off as it is my daily as well. My biggest gripe is traction in the paddock, anything but dry grass and it spins, but it does that even without a trailer.
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Old 17-01-2015, 01:38 PM   #4
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5 series, 34 or 39 will do the trick, the earlier 2.5 TDS isn't great on fuel on hilly a-roads and town but half decent on longer motorway runs, even when loaded up, the 24v 2.5 will do about the same in normal driving but drink more when towing.

Kerb Weights are around 1500, Gross weight is 2 ton, so I can bung 1500 kilos behind it legally, its plated for 1800 kg.


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Old 17-01-2015, 04:33 PM   #5
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I remember you telling me about volvos when I came to get the ledas in the clio I'll have a look as Ive never heard a bad thing about them.

The Passat is something I've looked into my dad has one and that would leave the mondeo for dead. That's my only gripe and as I've just started cycling with him if I had the same car id pretty much of turned into him at the age of (nearly) 30. I did test drive a 55 plate before buying my mondeo and I loved it it just didn't do anything until 3k rpm so had to walk away.

Bmw 5 series is a car that every now and then comes to mind but I've not seen a reliable one yet altho tbh non of my mates have had 5 series.
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I've got a Honda CR-V, 2.2 diesel. 140bhp, 250lbft at 2k.
Brilliant and I love it.
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Old 17-01-2015, 05:58 PM   #7
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14k miles in mine since I bought it 16 months ago, no big issues at all, just wear and tear.
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Old 17-01-2015, 09:24 PM   #8
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If anyone wants to link anything up you're more than welcome. Nothing back tho they all end up like this when there black.



Crv is something I've never thought about tbh. Being a Honda I'm guessing relability is good. I'll take a look at 5 series but I'm liking the look of volvo v50s the dash for a Volvo is actually quite nice.
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Old 17-01-2015, 10:04 PM   #9
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If anyone wants to link anything up you're more than welcome. Nothing back tho they all end up like this when there black.



Crv is something I've never thought about tbh. Being a Honda I'm guessing relability is good. I'll take a look at 5 series but I'm liking the look of volvo v50s the dash for a Volvo is actually quite nice.
Ben I have a volvo v50 and its a great car for towing.
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Old 17-01-2015, 10:27 PM   #10
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What engine you got mate? Any pics? Seen some iffy interior options so far what they like with 150-200k on the clock?
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Old 18-01-2015, 09:28 PM   #11
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What engine you got mate? Any pics? Seen some iffy interior options so far what they like with 150-200k on the clock?
Mines a 2.0td and pulls like a train tbh, I was thinking that I may need to remap to tow but it really doesn't need it. I don't have any pics mate, it's a silver SE model with black interior and aluminium finishing across the dash. Mine has 80k on the clock, 40k of which I've put on it so can't comment on 150-200k. I like it mate and it does good MPG so does the trick.
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Old 19-01-2015, 07:44 AM   #12
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I had a look at one yesterday and I did really like it. It's a decent size without being too big and the interior was nice. I did some reading and the bits it fails on is the same as any car I've looked at tbh so I'll keep looking. I'm looking at the lower end of the market so it'll have higher miles.
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v50 is a bit small for towinf, close to the focus platform like the c30, good pug diesel though.

v70 would be the one to get, lots of those in budget.
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Old 19-01-2015, 10:20 AM   #14
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I used to have a BMW 330d auto, it was great.

I got a shot of a 320d and was surprised how good it was and it gave 40+mpg towing.
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v50 is a bit small for towinf, close to the focus platform like the c30, good pug diesel though.

v70 would be the one to get, lots of those in budget.
I have no problems with towing with the v50 and its done a fair bit now without issue.

I fancy a Mercedes 250 CDI estate next
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Old 20-01-2015, 11:08 AM   #16
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The v70 and v50 are both within my requirements for towing. I like the fact there's more v70s within budget probably means it's a safer bet. What's the engine to get with the v70?
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classifi...?atmobcid=soc4 That looks alright to me. Any thoughts?
The v50 I went to look at had a abs sensor needing looking at the the car salesman said it'll be sorted. I very much doubt it would be but it may be worth another look and a drive.

I've never fancied a auto they never seem to change when id want. My mrs sister has a 1 series and it holds the revs at 3.5k and id of changed way before that. Not many 330 in the price range plus a volvo makes me feel more at ease with relaibility.
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T5's go well!

I've driven both a V70 and 330d in a spirited manner. The 330 goes very light when you start to 'push on' along a motorway.
I think a D5 V70 would do the job very well. I suppose the only downside is it's fwd.
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Old 20-01-2015, 04:40 PM   #18
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Is it the diesel 2.4 you've driven? Auto trader is quoting 250lbs/ft which is much better than the 140lbs/ft I currently have.
I know it's a bit of a old mans car but I'd rather the volvo than the bmw I like the idea of luxury motoring it'll give me.
Think I'll go for a look at the car I posted in my last post tomorrow. See how it is.
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Slightly different then lol...
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Old 20-01-2015, 05:36 PM   #21
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I went through this a few months back, Started looking for a diesel for towing the car and the boat when we go camping/roaming in the summer and a daily drive for the Mrs.
After looking at lots of diesels and struggling to see where the money is (similar prices as you) I decided to go with a bigger engined petrol car as ultimately the car wouldn't be doing that many miles whilst towing and the extra premium that diesels seem to fetch wouldn't be justified for only a couple of thousand towing miles a year.

Is it going to be your main transport or just a tow car? how many miles do you think you will do whilst towing? Do you want a diesel for torque or economy?

I looked at all the usual diesel suspects mentioned here for about 2k (my budget) I kept seeing cars with high mileage and gaping holes in historys, numerous fault etc - I just couldn't see where the money was going so opted for a petrol mondeo ST estate
An early one so cheaper to tax - bang tidy with fsh and 93k for les than 2K
Another option was a Saab 9-5 Turbo - legendary Torque and a towing capacity of 1800Kg - plenty around but the mondeo was the one for me.
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Old 21-01-2015, 09:40 PM   #22
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I'd agree with what bluebouy is saying, the potential for big repair bills on a modern diesel is huge so unless you're doing enough mileage to make a big saving on fuel a petrol may make more sense. Plus you'll get more for your initial outlay, servicing is generally cheaper and it'll probably be nicer to drive.

While I don't do much towing both our current cars are petrol versions of vehicle that are more common as diesel, the Honda FR-V 1.8 which is still capable of over 40mpg and a VR6 Caravelle which does less than 2000 miles a year and tows very smoothly.

I would be wary of a Saab though as some non-GM parts are becoming difficult to source. The Honda 2.2ctdi is a very good engine but not quite as reliable as their petrol engines. I am starting to dislike VAG products, reliability is nowhere near what their image would suggest.
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I have a touareg 3.0 V6 TDI Sport, ace for towing................but, terrible for reliability, its getting the boot soon. Its the last VW I will own, my Passat sport......... I blew that up. lol
How about a Nissan x trail or Suzuki vitara?
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Old 22-01-2015, 01:06 PM   #25
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I'm glad someone said it every car I take a look at I do a Google search and I find no end of things that go wrong with them. I don't do many miles at all maybe 6-8k a year if I'm lucky.
I wanted a deisel for the torque and ease of towing my mondeo has never felt like it couldn't tow it just felt like it was hard work all the time so I defo need more power.
The St is the car I wanted initially but the 220 isn't meant for towing. Aparantly you're not allowed to anyway, and the diesel St isn't too reliable from reviews.
The car will be my only car but it isn't used for commuting just the odd shop run seeing family etc. towing wise I did 7 track days last year and the car was off the road for 6 months I notmally try for a track day once or every other month. So I wouldn't say the car needs to be a towing monster just something that is capable.
Agee on the vw thing too I love the newer passats but they seem so unrealiable from things I've read or that could be because there's so many of them you only hear the bad reviews.

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Funny enough you mention it. I've just been looking at them. 2.4 should have enough power?
Something like this?
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classifi...?atmobcid=soc4

Also like some of the saabs they have more power than the Hondas. Good thing with the Honda of the car dies I'll bet the Honda fan boys would buy the engine for the same price as the car cost me.
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My mondeo came fitted with a substantial looking custom towbar and single elctrics although since buying it I have found that the ST220 isn’t type approved for towing as ford only made few and didn’t bother testing it.

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I live over the road from a guy who runs a saab specialist, He told me that this was the what kept the prices down, He was of the opinion that parts availability was excellent and couldn’t foresee any problems for some time. Never on my radar really but since he moved in and I look at his 9-5 aero estate every day, it started to grow on me - not the dash though.

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Looked at these too particualry the type-S only looked at one and it drove well, but the seller had failed to mention the illuminated warning lights on the dash before I drove to 80 miles to see it, so I walked. But I would’ve bought a tidy one if there was one closer, or a legacy or forester turbo etc etc Or any quick ish car that can tow well

To be honest I would’ve bought pretty much anything if conditon and paperwork were good at this price regardless of age...
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I love the dash in the 9-5, and the 10-12 year old Aero's are soooo cheap now, easily get a 2.3 250 bhp estate for a grand or less.
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My mondeo came fitted with a substantial looking custom towbar and single elctrics although since buying it I have found that the ST220 isn’t type approved for towing as ford only made few and didn’t bother testing it.



I live over the road from a guy who runs a saab specialist, He told me that this was the what kept the prices down, He was of the opinion that parts availability was excellent and couldn’t foresee any problems for some time. Never on my radar really but since he moved in and I look at his 9-5 aero estate every day, it started to grow on me - not the dash though.



Looked at these too particualry the type-S only looked at one and it drove well, but the seller had failed to mention the illuminated warning lights on the dash before I drove to 80 miles to see it, so I walked. But I would’ve bought a tidy one if there was one closer, or a legacy or forester turbo etc etc Or any quick ish car that can tow well

To be honest I would’ve bought pretty much anything if conditon and paperwork were good at this price regardless of age...
Yeah that's it some said ford didn't bother because they didn't want to see their flagship model towing a caravan lol. Same as a diesel St tho isn't it? Odd.

That's how I'm feeling atm tbh if I see a volvo v50/70 Saab 9-5 accord or even another mondeo with the right miles condition and paperwork I'll just get it at this price range anything good is snapped up instantly. If I hadn't of just started another rebuild on the rallye if have more to play with. Shame as if you stick another grand onto your budget you can get something really nice.

Looking at the older saabs you can get something with a lot of power for not a lot of money.
This is nice too http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classifi...?atmobcid=soc4
256bhp 258lbs/ft torque powaaaa
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Old 22-01-2015, 08:19 PM   #31
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Oh well if your upping the budget....

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ICONIC-VOL...item418ee4c564

Stick a fork in it..... its done.
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I can do 2.5k I was just looking around 2k to cover tax and any increases in insurance.
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http://www.dawhitecars.co.uk/used-ca...01412019366446

I've been trying to phone about this today but had no answer. Going to try again tomorrow as it seems like it'll be a great buy. Has all the toys I need a decent history and low mileage. What are people's thoughts?
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Just to tie the thread up I went to view the Volvo and it's now sat behind my house. Lovely motor with plenty of power and a lot of toys. Everything was right with it regarding history and receipts so I had it. The only down side I see is the boot. I've not got a wheel rack on the trailer so I've had to put them in the car in the past. I won't have room now so it gives me a excuse to make a wheel rack for the trailer.
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