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Old 18-08-2009, 01:09 PM   #1
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106Rallye Roll Cages

Hi
Here at Geronimo Cages we specialise in manufacturing top quality roll cages at affordable prices. We have recently added Saxo / Peugoet 106 cages to our range and have several cage combinations listed within our website. These cages are now available to order for fitting yourself or we can fit it for you if you are able to bring the car to us.

We can do whatever spec you fancy so if the combination you require isn't listed then email us with the details and we'll be happy to do it for you.

info@geronimocages.co.uk

We have added some pics of a 106Rallye cage we've built recently for you to have a look at

Please feel free to ask any questions and we will try to answer them as soon as possible.


Check out our website for details of prices and for more pics
http://www.geronimocages.co.uk

We currently offer Saxperience members 10% discount on all cages purchased and would like to extend this offer to all members of the 106rallye forum.

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Old 18-08-2009, 01:12 PM   #2
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how many bolts secure your front and main hoop?
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Old 18-08-2009, 02:02 PM   #3
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Hi
We don't use a front hoop we use lateral legs and a header bar instead as we find it is a much tighter fit.
On the front lateral legs the footplates are shaped and are 3 bolts and the rear hoop footplates are four bolt. I'm in the process of trying to upload some photos of a recent 106rallye cage that we did so they should be available to view shortly

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Old 18-08-2009, 02:07 PM   #4
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it was my rallye that geromino fitted the cage into and they done a top job ill up load some pics now denise










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Old 18-08-2009, 02:21 PM   #5
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door bars need to be higher up and the rear feet need to be further back as that's a very weak area of the floor, there is a reason why most proper cages bolt down over the beam mountings.

its not at all unknown for a 106/saxo shell to bend at the back if they are lowered, placing the cage there would make it more likely to happen.
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Old 18-08-2009, 02:29 PM   #6
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I was just about to say the same thing.
Also, the harness bars look a bit low??
But then what do I know, I'm sure Geronimo have done their research.

Oh, and the car looks very nice! I like the mix with the seats/ cage but with the carpet staying in.
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Old 18-08-2009, 03:20 PM   #7
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cheers for comment mate

yeah door bars could do with being higher after seeing other cages,but does me iam more than happy with it tbh
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Old 18-08-2009, 04:00 PM   #8
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I will pass these comments onto our workshop.
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Old 18-08-2009, 04:34 PM   #9
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no problems not trying to put you down, just don't want to see a poor product being sold if its easy to improve upon, especially as many members are motorsport orientated they need something that's compatible with MSA regulations as well as doing its job.

I would add that maybe placing the main hoop slightly further back and adding tabs so it can be bolted to the top seatbelt anchorage points.


a few guidelines from the blue book for you to check against your cage;

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11. Each mounting foot of the front, main and lateral
rollbars must include a reinforcement plate at least the
same thickness as the wall of the tube to which it is
being welded (minimum 3mm). Each mounting foot
must be attached by at least three bolts (minimum M8
ISO grade 8.8)
on a steel reinforcement plate at least
3mm thick and of at least 120cm2 area which is welded
to the bodyshell
(see Appendix 2, drawings 13 & 18).
Alternatively the mounting feet may be welded direct to
the reinforcement plate. This does not apply to
backstays (see below).

Backstays
12. These are compulsory and must be attached near
the roofline and near the top outer bends of the main
rollbar on both sides of the car. They must make an
angle of at least 30 degrees to the vertical,
must run
rearwards and be straight and as close as possible to
the interior side panels of the bodyshell. Their material
specification, diameter and thickness must be as
defined below.
13. Their mountings must be reinforced by plates. Each
backstay should be secured by bolts having a
cumulative section area at least two thirds of that
recommended for each rollbar leg mounting above,
and with identical reinforcement plates of at least
60cm2 area
(see Appendix 2, drawing 19).

16. The lower end of the diagonal must join the main
rollbar or back-stay not further than 100mm from the
mounting foot. The upper end must join the main
rollbar not further than 100mm from the junction of the
backstay joint, or the backstay not more than 100mm
from its junction with the main rollbar.

20. Doorbars (for side protection): Longitudinal
members must be fitted at each side of the vehicle (see
Appendix 2, drawings 9 & 12). They may be removable.
The side protection must be as high as possible but not
higher than one half of the total height of the door
aperture measured from its base.

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Old 19-08-2009, 08:25 AM   #10
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Do you sell the cages as kits, or just fit them?

Do you do one that attaches to rear beam and front turrets?
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Old 19-08-2009, 09:04 AM   #11
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Hi
Cages can be supplied in kit form for you to weld and fit yourself, the hoop would be supplied together with a series of bars which would be cut to slightly longer than required which would allow you choose the rear mounting position (rear beam if req'd), as for the front, again we could supply the cut steel ready for mounting by yourself, we would however require the measurements for this.

The workshop would just like to clarify that when they build cages for racing purposes, the MSA blue book is always consulted and cages are built according to the particular race series of the customer in addition all race cages are built using only 45mm CDS fully certifcated steel which is required by MSA.
We would ask that if anybody requires a cage for racing purpose that they please inform us and do not just go ahead and order a cage in 38mm.



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no problems not trying to put you down, just don't want to see a poor product being sold if its easy to improve upon, especially as many members are motorsport orientated they need something that's compatible with MSA regulations as well as doing its job.

I would add that maybe placing the main hoop slightly further back and adding tabs so it can be bolted to the top seatbelt anchorage points.


a few guidelines from the blue book for you to check against your cage;

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are these from MSA spec material? i.e

Taken from 2009 Blur book:
27. Minimum tube specifications are:
Minimum Material: Cold Drawn Seamless Carbon
Steel
Minimum Yield Strength: 350 N/mm2
Minimum Dimensions ( mm): 45x2.5 or 50x2.0;
38x2.5 or 40x2.0 (for roll cages/bars approved prior
to 1995). Single seat racing cars 42.4x2.6, sports
racing cars 48.3x2.6.

or are they the same as the 1.5mm wall thickness cages you sell on ebay?

also do / can you provide MSA certification?
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Old 19-08-2009, 09:23 AM   #13
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Hi
As stated above, race cages are produced using 45mm CDS
The actual specifications for the tube are:
CDS Carbon Steel
Proof Stress: 370 N/mm2
Tensile Strength: 529 N/mm2
Dimensions: 45mm x 2.5mm wall thickness

Cages currently listed on Ebay are 38mm CDS not 45mm CDS

All cages are supplied with the Certificate of Conformity req'd by MSA.

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are these from MSA spec material? i.e

Taken from 2009 Blur book:
27. Minimum tube specifications are:
Minimum Material: Cold Drawn Seamless Carbon
Steel
Minimum Yield Strength: 350 N/mm2
Minimum Dimensions ( mm): 45x2.5 or 50x2.0;
38x2.5 or 40x2.0 (for roll cages/bars approved prior
to 1995). Single seat racing cars 42.4x2.6, sports
racing cars 48.3x2.6.

or are they the same as the 1.5mm wall thickness cages you sell on ebay?

also do / can you provide MSA certification?
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Old 23-08-2009, 08:05 PM   #14
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is the cage FIA (append J) approved?
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