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Old 15-06-2016, 06:39 AM   #1
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So, it's up for sale then Lewis??

A sad day.....
https://www.ebay.co.uk/ulk/itm/252424842429
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Old 15-06-2016, 07:51 AM   #2
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Spotted this earlier. The day has finally arrived.
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Old 15-06-2016, 09:06 AM   #3
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Not sure I could justify that amount of money on a 106 :-/

It is nice mind, but its not finished so asking £14k+ for summat that needs finishing is a bit cheeky IMO!

Think I'd rather have a 911/RS4/M3 etc if I was spending that amount!
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Those wheels... awesome.
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Old 15-06-2016, 01:48 PM   #5
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Think I'd rather have a 911/RS4/M3 etc if I was spending that amount!



LOL

you wont get many of the above worth having for that little money.
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Get a decent E46 M3 for that. Different ball game in terms of running costs though!

Shame to see this up, it's like an unfinished symphony.
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Old 15-06-2016, 02:50 PM   #7
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Not sure I could justify that amount of money on a 106 :-/

It is nice mind, but its not finished so asking £14k+ for summat that needs finishing is a bit cheeky IMO!

Think I'd rather have a 911/RS4/M3 etc if I was spending that amount!
It'll deter the dreamers, I'm sure anybody that is genuinely interested will discuss with Lewis and come to an agreed price

As for your 911/RS4, your missing about 10k for a good one
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It's a shame he's getting rid of it. It's a fantastic car and very well prepared but it's difficult to justify that price mind. He would get it in parts but would be a shame to break it.
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Old 16-06-2016, 09:28 AM   #9
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LOL

you wont get many of the above worth having for that little money.
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It'll deter the dreamers, I'm sure anybody that is genuinely interested will discuss with Lewis and come to an agreed price

As for your 911/RS4, your missing about 10k for a good one
Nope, Check PH & Autotrader.........Plenty of 996's (Ok not the most desirable 911 but still a 911) on sale for £14k, Plenty of RS4's on sale for £14k both the B5 2.7 Bi-Turbo versions & the B7 4.2 V8 also £14k will see you in a very very good E46 M3, probs get a high mileage E92 V8 version too for that money too!

£14k would also get you a great E36 M3 Evo and a P1 Scoob/Evo 6 etc

Please don't take my ramblings about what else you can buy as dissing the car, it looks immaculate & the stuff on it is obviously top quality, however its not finished and sadly asking that amount of money for something, regardless of what it is, you'd expect it to be ready to rock, no work required etc

Sadly to realize the true potential of the cash tied up in it, its probably best parted out
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If you're comparing a track ready 106 with a RS4/M3 you need your head looked at.

But I agree, parting it out or else finishing it (It doesn't sound like it needs much) are probably his only options if he's looking it sold any time soon.
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Old 16-06-2016, 03:01 PM   #11
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Lol, I did wonder how long it would be until my good name got sullied on here, news travels fast these days!

I don't want to get into a protracted conversation about the reasons for a (possible) sale, but I thought i'd clear up a few things;

Yes it is unfortunate, but it's only something I am considering at the moment. However, in order to get an idea of interest it's necessary to advertise the car.

RE; Cost, anyone who has taken on a build of this proportion will have a grasp on the economics and therefore understand that the asking price is actually very reasonable (even cheap) given the level of investment and quality of the build. Try and buy a caterham to a similar level of finish and it'll set you back around 30k. To give you an idea the engine alone is £10k which makes it a cheap car. It only seems expensive if you are a dreamer with no concept of what it costs to build a car like this, or run and maintain / build something similar (whatever it may be). Pointless argument saying you can buy an M3 etc. Knock yourself out, it will be the same as every other M3 until you start sinking more money into it to transform it into a weapon, not to mention the cost of remedial works to correct the probable issues it will have.

As other have pointed out, the price also has the effect of deterring the numerous utter bellends that frequent the internet from asking hundred of questions when they have no interest in actually buying it. What's that old saying, you pay your money you make your choice.

It is likely that I will keep it anyway, I still have a lot of love for it despite what it may seem like.
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Old 16-06-2016, 03:07 PM   #12
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I don't think anyone's really slating you Lewis - it's just sad to see it up for sale without you managing to finish the thing!
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I don't think anyone's really slating you Lewis - it's just sad to see it up for sale without you managing to finish the thing!
Hey Harv,

No, I didn't say they were, but comments relating to the cost of it being unrealistic etc are daft, I was just explaining why It is sad yes, and as I said it's liekly I will hold onto her but I wanted to explore the possibility of selling it is all. I have a lot of other things going on in my life and unfortunately sometimes cars take a back seat (excuse the pun)

Fear not, I will never break it for parts no matter what happens!
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Old 16-06-2016, 04:16 PM   #14
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I'll take the engine Lewis!

This is my favourite S2 Rallye. I'd have it if I had the space and didn't already have too many!
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Old 16-06-2016, 06:22 PM   #15
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Old 16-06-2016, 08:08 PM   #16
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Having built a 'decent spec' 106, and since broken it- I can easily see the value.
You are preaching to the converted here mate, well mostly
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Old 16-06-2016, 08:29 PM   #17
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There is no doubt in my mind that 14k+ is in that car and you wouldn't be long going through 14k if you
Were to built it but there is however a big difference spending it over a few years and spending it in 1 lump which
Means you have a very very small market who would spend that money on a 106.

I'm sure my Maxi has cost twice that but if I wanted a rally car in the morning I wouldn't spend 30k on one.

The best of luck with the sale Lewis.
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Old 17-06-2016, 11:19 AM   #18
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Sad to see it up for sale incomplete lewis, i cant get on ebay at work to read the ad, i'm sure no one would question the price if it was bianca not that shitty blue colour!

in all seriousness though if you were to look at the price of race cars with a similar spec this car is nothing short of a bargain. i'd maybe see if it was eligible to be raced in a proper series and advertise accordingly.

206 s1600;s seem to change hands for 100k, i doubt no one would pay that if it was on ebay but advertised in the right circles.

good luck with whatever you end up doing lewis ya pvc trouser wearing scallywag!
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Old 17-06-2016, 11:55 PM   #19
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Well, I just thought I'd update this out of respect for you guys and the fact I know you'll be interested. You've been a good bunch over the years and helped me out with all my questions etc, so here we go:

Very sad day, but my Rallye (I love uber rallye lol) went yesterday to its new owner, and already he has been infinitely more proactive than me and had it mapped by no other than our sandy brown. Long day I believe but it went well and Andy (new owner) is over the moon. I will not lie I did actually cry this evening briefly. Quite emotional. I have no one else to blame but the fact is I couldn't justify keeping it. That's not to say I'm not utterly disappointed about selling it. Still, at least it's gone to a good home. Hopefully sandy will elaborate but I believe it's a beast and I'm sure it sounded immense on the rollers as it did the one or two times I drove it. I wish Andy all the best with it and I hope he enjoys it

PS. Advice to anyone in a similar boat, STICK WITH IT TO THE BITTER END IF YOU CAN!
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End of one era and the start of a new one! Hope to see it back on here soon.
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Onwards and upwards pal.
See you in a few years............'they all come back.'
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Chin up Lewis, good to hear she is off to a new home, hopefully the new owner will update us on here.
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Good news that it's getting used and appreciated, I'm sure it's a real kicker for you though!

What's next then Lewis?
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Every car guy has been in the same situation at some point, you just get so balls deep
in the fuckers that all the fun goes out of it.

I spent years working on/building different 106 road cars, trying to achieve god knows what,
they were always too slow, too hard, too loud, too small etc and got sold on every time.

2 weeks ago I bought a standard Clio 197 with Recaros & Cup Chassis and its everything
I was looking for all those years right out of the box.

Moral of the story? We all grow up and move on.
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Honda CR-V : on paper it's everything I hate in a car.
Practically, it does everything I want.
That said, having a toy eases the pain.
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Every car guy has been in the same situation at some point, you just get so balls deep
in the fuckers that all the fun goes out of it.

I spent years working on/building different 106 road cars, trying to achieve god knows what,
they were always too slow, too hard, too loud, too small etc and got sold on every time.

2 weeks ago I bought a standard Clio 197 with Recaros & Cup Chassis and its everything
I was looking for all those years right out of the box.

Moral of the story? We all grow up and move on.
This is pretty much it. I had quite a few issues along the way even after hanks fine work on it and you just end up getting fucked off constantly chucking money at it only for it to throw up another issue down the line. It's fine now but I literally replaced everything. I did the internal hoses twice as they leaked, rear calipers were both leaking somehow so I got new ones, rad leaked after I'd got it back from bob, the list goes on. At that point I'd already spent thousands, coupled with the storage fees, longmans no longer being in existence and struggling to find somewhere to get it mapped, it just all got too much. I hate relying on other people for help and owning a car like this you always seem to be at the mercy of someone else. It's hard on you. I also own a Megane 275 trophy now woth recaros and the ohlins suspension pack and it literally ticks every box in terms of speed, comfort, handling, noise, boy racer appeal (I should grow up more lol) but it's also comfortable and reliable and headache free (so far). I think at some point I'd love a mad Caterham but I'm saving the dosh towards a future house refurb or summat for now. Who knows what the future holds. I will still however always love Peugeot 106 Rallye's!

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Practically, it does everything I want.
That said, having a toy eases the pain.
I'd love another second toy in the future but only when I have my own garage to keep it in. I am bang fed up giving money away to other people now!

Thanks for the kind words of support anyway lads it means a lot.
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I completely understand the situation you're in!
The stories of the problems you've had with the car and the reason you sold it sound oh so familiar!
I'm glad you managed to sell it and didn't end up having to break it for parts or something similar!
I have to admit persevering to the end isn't the solution either, mines pretty much done now and I still hate the thing and am constantly consumed by what I'd spend the money on if I could release it from the Rallye (a Megane trophies is one such thing so good call with that) but I strongly think you've made the right decision!
All the best with it all, hope to see you and the Rallye on here still
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Don't take this the wrong way guys, your builds are amazing, but maybe a 106 as a toy for the road needs to be a bit closer to standard than they end up - once you end up with stiff, low suspension and mad power you're on a different playing field, and one which modified cars won't be as polished at compared to standard.

e.g. Megane Trophy 275 - all the power you really need, bigger chassis with another 15 years of suspension development to keep the geo right under power/braking/cornering etc, Ohlins dampers for tricks. Getting a 106 to go even vaguely as fast inevitably means you run into the fundamental limits of the car in the first place, then have to either work around or accept them.

Maybe 130-or-so hp in an 8v with ATB diff and sensible dampers and tyres etc is a better result than 180-200hp, super-hard tarmac-spec suspension, rose joints etc etc which just highlight how out of date it is underneath.

Just my 2p!

I'm using a Clio 172 as a daily at the moment, it had fresh dampers just before I bought it and, as a daily for A and B-roads, it's the perfect compromise. My Rallye will end up as a bit more of a toy with a more boring daily, but what I'm aiming for is the suspension balance of the Clio with a bit more Rallye rawness sprinkled on top.
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I completely understand the situation you're in!
The stories of the problems you've had with the car and the reason you sold it sound oh so familiar!
I'm glad you managed to sell it and didn't end up having to break it for parts or something similar!
I have to admit persevering to the end isn't the solution either, mines pretty much done now and I still hate the thing and am constantly consumed by what I'd spend the money on if I could release it from the Rallye (a Megane trophies is one such thing so good call with that) but I strongly think you've made the right decision!
All the best with it all, hope to see you and the Rallye on here still

It's very hard to explain the rollercoaster of emotion involved with a build like thi to someone who hasn't done it themselves. Also I had it so long and have been into these cars for such a long time that it's part of my life. As you get older friends sell up, people move on and you find it more isolated and difficult to get on with your own. It's a funny old thing really.

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Don't take this the wrong way guys, your builds are amazing, but maybe a 106 as a toy for the road needs to be a bit closer to standard than they end up - once you end up with stiff, low suspension and mad power you're on a different playing field, and one which modified cars won't be as polished at compared to standard.

e.g. Megane Trophy 275 - all the power you really need, bigger chassis with another 15 years of suspension development to keep the geo right under power/braking/cornering etc, Ohlins dampers for tricks. Getting a 106 to go even vaguely as fast inevitably means you run into the fundamental limits of the car in the first place, then have to either work around or accept them.

Maybe 130-or-so hp in an 8v with ATB diff and sensible dampers and tyres etc is a better result than 180-200hp, super-hard tarmac-spec suspension, rose joints etc etc which just highlight how out of date it is underneath.

Just my 2p!

I'm using a Clio 172 as a daily at the moment, it had fresh dampers just before I bought it and, as a daily for A and B-roads, it's the perfect compromise. My Rallye will end up as a bit more of a toy with a more boring daily, but what I'm aiming for is the suspension balance of the Clio with a bit more Rallye rawness sprinkled on top.
The Megane despite being an amazing car is just not in even in the same park as the Rallye. It's fucking mental. Nothing can give you the same buzz as it's basically a racing car.

Anyway Andy was kind enough to send me a video of it on the rollers. Now you see why i'm so sad to have sold it! The noise is just amazing

https://youtu.be/aNROjnH-ngg
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Cool, any idea of wheel numbers? sounds pretty smooth, been down to those rollers a few times now.
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Cool, any idea of wheel numbers? sounds pretty smooth, been down to those rollers a few times now.
No they ran out of time so power is a mystery. Has to be over 200 though as that's what it was RR'd at previously. 210 it was when Bic had it.
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Hi everyone to those who are interested in the chap who bought and finished Lewis's car
I cannot claim credit for the build at all , it is a credit to him for the workmanship and quality of everything he has done on it .
However I have finished it to a degree but it may require some development work after some testing at a track depending how it performs , I will keep everyone updated
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