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Old 13-06-2006, 11:09 PM   #101
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Ok, thx!

So they will fit with the 206 GTI Ferodo FCP 1399 H pads?
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Old 16-06-2006, 11:49 AM   #102
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Good news for anyone with the square end pads (like the ones the 307 uses, mintex code MDB2283), proven-products will do a set of pads in 1144 material for 65 inc. VAT.

A bit cheaper than the 100 everyone else has been quoting!
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Old 05-07-2006, 07:52 PM   #103
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23mm Master Cylinder questions/ 266mm or 280mm brakes??

Master cylinder enquiry.......Just been looking on www.brakesint.co.uk ,ive realised to get rid of pedal travel, I'll need a 23mm master cylinder from a 406 2.0 16v non abs model, which one though?? :

Part numbers: bmc4816 (non abs 4 port...cast) , bmc5134 (non abs 4 port...aluminium)

Both are 'cheap as chips' brand new (both under 50!! Thats new!!)

Im assuming the aluminium one will be lighter, so do I buy that one??

My car is a S1 rallye, standard brakes at moment with braided hoses...been offered 266mm brakes or 280mm....which ones should i chose?? I run 15" compomotives and cant be arsed with rear disk conversion, drums will do me fine

Some one wanna answer my questions
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Old 15-08-2006, 09:44 PM   #104
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27mm offset:



34mm offset:

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Old 07-01-2007, 08:36 PM   #105
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Hi Guys, after reading this and getting very confused i just went by trial and error and luckily it worked out well !

I have an 1995 S1 rallye

I bought 2001 206 GTI calipers, these had round edged pads and the bosch two bolt type
I then bought some 27mm offset discs from halfords which were meant for a 306 XSI and Halfords part HBD337

It all went on very easy with no grinding needed
it works really well, thanks for the help

If any1 wants my old set up which was OE rallye bendix s1 calipers, discs and pads they can come round my house and collect them for free(oxford), one of the nipples on the drivers side caliper has snapped off tho, plus i snapped a nipple removal tool in the hole. an engineering company might be able to get it out tho. its good to recycle!
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Old 11-02-2007, 05:25 PM   #106
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any1 find the steering a bit heavier after the conversion ? i did ? although i dont particulary mind it, spose its a bit bad that my car isnt OE anymore. just cant justify that massive price for bendix calipers

Got some new toyo proxes tyres the other day and now the steering is ultra light ! wierd eh ? maybe they need running in or somthing
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Old 11-02-2007, 06:16 PM   #107
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any1 find the steering a bit heavier after the conversion ? i did ? although i dont particulary mind it, spose its a bit bad that my car isnt OE anymore. just cant justify that massive price for bendix calipers

Got some new toyo proxes tyres the other day and now the steering is ultra light ! wierd eh ? maybe they need running in or somthing
Maybe that's just your tyres at the right pressure now. It's amazing what a big difference it makes
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Old 11-02-2007, 06:45 PM   #108
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Probably because theres less surface area on the road now they're not worn down
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Old 08-09-2007, 01:25 PM   #109
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Here's a full breakdown of my conversion:

Car is a 1995 S1 Rallye. Brakes are 206 GTI

Calipers are Bosch 2 bolt type. The yokes needed grinding to fit and take square end pads. The discs are 34mm offset.

Parts ordered from Peugeot, all parts are for a 206 GTI
Description | Part number | Quantity | price
Recond Cylinder 441067 1 25.50
Recond Cylinder 441068 1 25.50
Caliper Yoke 440462 1 22.18
Caliper Yoke 440463 1 22.18
Caliper Screw 440534 4 04.76

Total with discount and VAT: 117.65

Parts ordered from www.brakesint.co.uk
Description | Part number | Quantity | price
Vented Brake disc BDS5918 2 35.00
Brake Pad Set(mintex) BPS2811 1 19.30

Total with VAT: 63.45

Other bits I ordered off ebay-
Yellow brake caliper paint 6.95
Black peugeot brake caliper decal kit 6.95
dot 4 brake fluid - 7 from local petrol station.
brake parts cleaner spray - 3 from local hardware store.

That's 205 all in for a brand new setup. Fitting took 1 1/2hrs with a bit of help from a friend bleeding them.
Yellow paint took several coats to get a good finish but looks good peeping through the steelies.
Pedal travel has increased noticeably, pads and discs aren't bedded in yet but are already more powerful than standard.

I hope that's not an information overload but everything is there for people wishing to do the same conversion.

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Old 23-10-2007, 09:14 PM   #110
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Hi all, my car has falied its MOT due to a "twisted" brake line. The line is the original 106 gti one going into a 206 caliper. tonight ive been trying to find diffrent ways of altering the point where it tightens up fully ..to no avail.

ive noticed the threaded bore for the brake hose on the 106 caliper is drilled in dead square unlike the 206 ones. No matter what i do it seems that the o/s line will always seem a bit too long/twisted/rubbing on the body of the car.
Is there such a connection that could be tightened into the caliper at any angle? something around 45 degree`s might do the trick. a 90 degree connection would be worse. anyone know of how i could get around this? its lowered 60mm and funnily enough the n/s looks fine.

I might put the original ones back on until i source something that will flow nicely.

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Old 02-04-2008, 10:37 AM   #111
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hi guys new here. i have a 106 rally car im building at the mo, upgrading the brakes to 206gti ones. this is helping me but il keep you posted on how i get on!
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Old 09-05-2008, 03:41 PM   #112
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Does the 206 xsi has bosch calipers 266mm ventilated)?Or if not what brakes does it have?
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Old 02-11-2008, 10:10 PM   #113
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Just done this conversion JUST fit under my 14" compomotive MO's there is about 3mm clearance!

Reading this thread i found it to be very confusing and not really a definative thread as there are so many variants of the 206 gti caliper it seems.

When i was buying my disks i used the information i found on www.brakesint.co.uk it said on there that the pre 2000 (rounded end pad) calipers used the 27.9mm offset disk and the post 2000 (square ended pad) calipers used the 34mm ones.

As for the caliper bolts im not quite sure what everyone was on about as i didnt really have this problem :S mine bolted straight onto the strut with just an m12 washer.











hope this helps!
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Old 17-11-2008, 12:14 AM   #114
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^^^did u cahange your master cylinder?
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Old 17-11-2008, 08:20 AM   #115
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nope didnt need to. bled the brakes through and still have exactly the same pedal travel. was expecting to have to change it reading this, but im glad i dont need to! its such an easy conversion!
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Old 09-05-2009, 06:41 PM   #116
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hey guys, I've looked around quite a bit on the forum and got even more confused on brakes. What are 1144's and DS2500??
I have a 106 gti with, I think, standard discs and calipers( Lucas is written on it...dunno), so I'm guessing they are the 247mm discs. I've been wanting a bit of an upgrade as the rest of the car is being upgraded but I'm really a total loss when it comes to brakes. What bugs me on my current brake setup is that I cannot reach the gas pedal with my heel. I had other cars before and used to do toe and heel the whole time so I'm kind of addicted to it and it feels strange to have to feel strong engine brakes. apart from that it seems that after some time the brake force fades quickly....

I liked the 206 idea of fitting the 266mm ones but I heard of so many sizes i got confused big time. Any help please what might be good for my 106

the above considering that I may be entering a local hill climb competition.....thanks

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Old 11-05-2009, 11:11 AM   #117
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Old 11-05-2009, 03:11 PM   #118
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Ferodo DS2500 and Mintex 1144 are types of brake pad compound, both aimed at track use.

Gti calipers are ATE as standard I think?

For 266 brakes i'd look at either the 206 gti calipers (can also be found on hdi and some 307 models) or 306 Xsi/S16 calipers (Lucas). I'm running the latter with DS2500 pads and they are quite honestly amazing.
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Old 11-05-2009, 03:26 PM   #119
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pete c you pm me the info il need to swap mine over i.e which parts etc etc
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Old 11-05-2009, 03:49 PM   #120
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Its easy jazzle. Go with bosch for ease of fitment and a slightly larger pad. 306hdi is going to be your easiest and cheapest target
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Old 11-05-2009, 04:33 PM   #121
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I also heard that the brakes off a peugeot partner are basically the same as a 206 180. Do you know if they fit on a 106?
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Old 11-05-2009, 05:00 PM   #122
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306 hdi will be Lucas, 307 hdi however will be Bosch I'd go for Bosch, pad changes can be done without taking off the calipers. The Lucas calipers are also bloody heavy, the Bosch ones unless carved from stone must be lighter.
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Old 20-06-2009, 06:20 PM   #123
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I dont know if anyone is interested in this thread, but heres exactly what I bought and it all fits my s2 Rallye

266MM DISCS FROM '52 PLATE 206 GTI
SQUARE END PADS (there are 3 types, round, square, and 180 GTi square) Mine are the middle ones
54 TYPE BOSCH CALIPERS AND YOKES (Calipers Reconditioned from brakes engineering, Yokes from Peugeot)

Jobs a good 'un.

Thanks to getting discs and calipers from a mate in Brakes....total was in the region of 190 for all new / reconditiond parts.
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Old 12-10-2009, 07:25 PM   #124
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does anyone have a list of all the cars peugeot and citreon that have 266mm brakes..

Im doing a scrappy run this weekend coming and could do with an idea of what cars to look out for.
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Old 12-10-2009, 08:57 PM   #125
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ZX, pretty much all, discs will go straight on too, Xsara, same as before, 306, same as before.

models to look for are 2.0 XSi and HDI, possibly 1.8 XS, anything lower spec tends to have ATE 247mm brakes like the 16v 106/saxo.

206 and very low spec 307 also have 266mm brakes, as do C2's, C3's, boggo C4's

Blingo/partner vans are 306/xsara front ends, same brakes, all 266mm, varying offsets.

405 and boggo 406 have 266mm discs, but very wrong hub offsets.
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Old 24-11-2009, 03:22 PM   #126
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Quick question -

Will using the Bosch-spec disc with the 34mm offset actually push my wheels 7mm further out of the arches compared to the 27mm disc/standard?

Or is it a case of the actual brake disc is mounted further towards the strut?

Just they'll be pretty wide as they are...
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Excellent news

Getting some 266mm calipers from a 2002 Berlingo, seeing pics they look like the Bosch calipers so glad to know I can fit them without widening my track at the front
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Old 25-11-2009, 06:34 PM   #129
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pre 2000 (rounded end pad) calipers used the 27.9mm offset disk and the post 2000 (square ended pad) calipers used the 34mm ones.
Thats the important bit!
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Hello to every body.
Good thread but many words ...
The main problem is the many people take calipers on e-bay or some where and disks from another mans. The disks from different cars have different offset! Is it is?

Help me please. Will The 266mm 306/xantia brakes (calipers and disks) bolt on if i take it from 1 car at all?
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Hello to every body.
Good thread but many words ...
The main problem is the many people take calipers on e-bay or some where and disks from another mans. The disks from different cars have different offset! Is it is?

Help me please. Will The 266mm 306/xantia brakes (calipers and disks) bolt on if i take it from 1 car at all?
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For people's reference, got my caliper bolts from Pug this weekend

Peugeot Part No. 440547

For BOSCH square-ended pad calipers (later type), no idea if its different for the other ones, most likely very similar.

Bolts are 12x1.5 with a T55 head
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Master cylinder - does anyone know definitively which master cylinder I need to improve pedal travel on my S1 following 206gti brake conversion i.e. size and peugeot model used on - many thanks - John
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Thought this might be useful -

Brake pads sizes, from top to bottom, Lucas, BOSCH type 1, BOSCH type 2



The only notable exceptions are the rarer BOSCH type 3 caliper and the Lucas 'Sabretooth' caliper. But as you can see, there isn't much to choose between any of the most common 266mm variants.
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Master cylinder - does anyone know definitively which master cylinder I need to improve pedal travel on my S1 following 206gti brake conversion i.e. size and peugeot model used on - many thanks - John
Any info on this question?

I'm just curious how the larger discs have affected your brake bias? I'm assuming that it has moved it even farther forward (because the piston size hasn't changed). This would technically give you worse, i.e. longer braking distances because you're using less of the rear brakes. You may feel more bite due to more brake torque but but you won't improve the stopping distances. Now, you'll definitely improve brake fade issues having the larger rotor, and that's desirable for lapping days.

So question is, will using the master cylinder that came with the calipers provide you with the proper brake bias? How much larger are the rear rotors on the 206GTi compared to an S1?
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changing the master cylinder is really down to personal preference, certainly wont change the front/rear bias as they are the same size for front and rear ports unless you use a bias pedal box with separate master cylinders.

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How much larger are the rear rotors on the 206GTi compared to an S1?
same size rotors, same calipers on most too, though high spec cars have 32mm piston not 30mm.
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changing the master cylinder is really down to personal preference, certainly wont change the front/rear bias as they are the same size for front and rear ports unless you use a bias pedal box with separate master cylinders.



same size rotors, same calipers on most too, though high spec cars have 32mm piston not 30mm.
Thanks for the reply!

If I were to buy new calipers for 266mm rotors, are there differences between one's for 34mm offset and the 27mm offset rotors?
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Thats the important bit!
Right, now I have the post 2000 calipers and just using my standard 247mm disc with 34mm offset on a trial assemble.

When all fitted up the disc isn't in the middle of the carrier. It has a very small gap to one side of the disc ans a large gap the other...

Can anyone confirm they have the same as this/this is correct?
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riht ive read this thread and looked on ebay etc and im completely lost..
can someone spoon feed me this please and provide some links?
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It's gotten a bit difficult to read this thread hasn't it? Basically, if you find a donor car with 266mm brakes, get EVERYTHING from it, i.e. discs, pads, calipers, carriers, mounting bolts etc. At least you'll be able to match the pad shape and disc spec from them to get new parts, even if you don't want to use the old bits.
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VERY CONFUSING..

Its something im wanting to do but brakes are not something i have really played with before.
if anyone is able to point me in the right direction with some part numbers and a simple guide id be eternally gratefull
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Old 27-03-2011, 10:46 PM   #142
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1, goto breakers
2, remove all the brake set inc pads and disks
3, go to motor factor with the car model you retrieved it from and match them
4, clean old calipers and carriers
5, install and bleed

done, if not GUS put part numbers and so in his blog
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Here's my old post from a couple of pages back. I've done 10,000 miles on the now and I haven't had any problems. Prices are from 2008 or whenever it was I did the conversion obviously:


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Here's a full breakdown of my conversion:

Car is a 1995 S1 Rallye. Brakes are 206 GTI

Calipers are Bosch 2 bolt type. The yokes needed grinding to fit and take square end pads. The discs are 34mm offset.

Parts ordered from Peugeot, all parts are for a 206 GTI
Description | Part number | Quantity | price
Recond Cylinder 441067 1 25.50
Recond Cylinder 441068 1 25.50
Caliper Yoke 440462 1 22.18
Caliper Yoke 440463 1 22.18
Caliper Screw 440534 4 04.76

Total with discount and VAT: 117.65

Parts ordered from www.brakesint.co.uk
Description | Part number | Quantity | price
Vented Brake disc BDS5918 2 35.00
Brake Pad Set(mintex) BPS2811 1 19.30

Total with VAT: 63.45

Other bits I ordered off ebay-
Yellow brake caliper paint 6.95
Black peugeot brake caliper decal kit 6.95
dot 4 brake fluid - 7 from local petrol station.
brake parts cleaner spray - 3 from local hardware store.

That's 205 all in for a brand new setup. Fitting took 1 1/2hrs with a bit of help from a friend bleeding them.
Yellow paint took several coats to get a good finish but looks good peeping through the steelies.
Pedal travel has increased noticeably, pads and discs aren't bedded in yet but are already more powerful than standard.

I hope that's not an information overload but everything is there for people wishing to do the same conversion.
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Old 30-03-2011, 09:04 PM   #144
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fantastic mate, cheers!
I assume theres no difference between applying this conversion to a s1 or s2?
brake noob here
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Old 04-04-2011, 08:28 PM   #145
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No I don't think so. I'm pretty sure disc offsets and calliper mounting holes are the same for both.
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does anyone know if the brake servo is worth fitting? or can anyone suggest a better one to fit than standard?
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Old 25-04-2012, 10:20 PM   #147
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Right I'm lost guys:

I've orderred FCP1112h's for my calipers which are LUCAS calipers so assumed the FCP1112h's would fit however but as you can see from the image below the pads I've been sent are far too large:



What part number do I need then as my pads appear to match the LUCAS pads that MIKOL posted above:



(TOP PAD)

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Although the pads MIKOL has posted show a curved edge.



Some more pics of my pads:

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Old 29-04-2012, 10:24 PM   #148
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Found out I require FCP1133h:

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95x43.5x18 mm

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Old 29-04-2012, 11:24 PM   #149
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yeap, easily identifiable as 306 S16 or ZX 16v due to the fang on the pad carrier.

quite a small pad but still a decent upgrade with the right pad material without the weight of a 283 setup.
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Cheers dude will get the FCP1133's sent out now then

Nearly picked up a 16v Zx two years ago. Wish I had done now; love the little blighters.
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