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Old 04-10-2015, 02:15 PM   #51
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Who's going to be driving with you Mike?
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Old 04-10-2015, 04:42 PM   #52
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It's looking more and more likely that I wont actually be driving
I have two definites and three probables who are thinking/ mulling/ saving etc.......we can have five drivers maximum. Let me know if you fancy it.

It will be really painful to be on the sidelines, but needs must unfortunately.


A quick video from the rollers last week...
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Old 17-10-2015, 10:20 PM   #53
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Before we start stripping the car I thought it would be wise to get the geometry checked again. Just so we know exactly where everything is.
The evening started with us trying to get the car as high as possible.....



Whilst the car was being raised to the sky Alan was busy levelling off all the scale platforms.
That process alone took over an hour!



No, it needs to go higher.........so more blocks of wood!



All the corner weights were taken and recorded. We didn't adjust anything, as we were only interested in seeing what settings it was on.

Measuring castor.....



A few hours later and the job was done, meaning that the strip down can now begin.
There is a long list of jobs to do, which includes caliper service, damper service, new bearings all round, new rj's all round, strip and service cv's etc etc.

Oh, and she's a big old heavy girl!

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Old 18-10-2015, 02:35 AM   #54
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It's looking more and more likely that I wont actually be driving
I have two definites and three probables who are thinking/ mulling/ saving etc.......we can have five drivers maximum. Let me know if you fancy it.

It will be really painful to be on the sidelines, but needs must unfortunately.


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Can't believe you won't actually be driving

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Old 18-10-2015, 07:42 PM   #55
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I've realised that all this hard work needs some reward. I'm sure that managing the team will give some satisfaction, but not as much as actually driving. For that reason, I'm back in the seat!

Had a trip out today, picked these up, which came from a well known energy drink race team

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Old 18-10-2015, 08:57 PM   #56
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Old 19-10-2015, 07:18 AM   #57
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Old 24-10-2015, 10:10 AM   #58
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Brakes are off, to be serviced (new seals, bleed nipples etc etc)




Spare shafts, and hubs (the shafts alone cost more than the Gripper gearbox on the Pug!)

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Bloody hell, what's so special about the shafts? Or is it racing tax?
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Old 24-10-2015, 04:43 PM   #60
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The heavy duty gkn inner cv's mostly, plus race car tax indeed! citroen sport shafts for a be box were 550 a pair.
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Old 24-10-2015, 05:30 PM   #61
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The Peugeot Sport cup car shafts we use are 1880 a pair plus vat from special tuning. Needless to say we didn't buy ours from them!
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Shafts are 650Euros each. The articulation joint is 315Euro.
Hubs are 190Euro each.

Motorsport tax indeed, but not a lot I can do to get around it.

I've been offered a shit load of spares at a half decent price, but I don't really need a lot of what is on offer.
Plus, I'd need to spend money refurbing a lot of it.

I started on the brakes today.
They are massive.....



I spent yesterday afternoon with Richard Neary and his new toy....



I've always been very fond of his 'old' toy too...
(the one on the left)



MoTec goodness!



Complex s/wheel

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Old 25-10-2015, 02:18 PM   #63
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Today's job was to remove the additional fuel tank. It's an additional 35litres, giving a total of 90litres of go-juice.
Unfortunately, this one has gone out of date and needs replacing.












I also want some more brake bells machining, so they came off too...



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Are the fuel tank dates checked in this country Mike? The only place we have had ours checked was Spa. Looking good though, it'll be coming out next year like a new car!
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It's an FIA series(!) so everything has to be in date, inc tank and seat.
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Willans now do bag tanks, i was speaking with them only
Last week About getting a tank re-certed. I was advised that once
Its out of date it can be re-certed for 2 more years under FIA rules.
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Old 28-10-2015, 09:05 AM   #67
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I've been speaking to Willans, and they are looking favourite.
My current tank is already 18months out of date so not worth getting it re-certified.
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Today was a day to strip the calipers. Not really any different to the PugSport 106 calipers which I supply, except for the extra 2 pistons and anti-knockback springs.

Pad retainer removed:


Wear plates:


Knocking the wear plates out:


Inspection revealed damage to one of the fluid pipes:

(prob caused by a stone from a gravel trap!)

Good job I've got spares:


Bleed nipples out:


The calipers were drained of all fluid.
To remove the pistons blocks of wood were placed within the caliper and compressed air used to push the pistons out. This is quite a delicate operation and great care should be taken.

The net result is a fully stripped brake caliper, ready for cleaning up and replacement parts:
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More spare parts collected today



Coil packs:



Injectors:



Front hubs/ bearings/ studs:



Front calipers:



Once I get the other set of calipers back together I can move on to re-building both sets of drive shafts.
I've got prices for a replacement fuel bladder now too, so that needs to be ordered.
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is that an M3 gtr up there?
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Some proper cool and expensive parts on this car.

Do they use the S3/TT RS injectors?
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is that an M3 gtr up there?
It's a bit beyond GTR spec now. If you were to build an M3 race car then this has everything that you would want. The Z4 has less power. There is about 15k's worth of MoTec electronics in there, including a full 'live' telemetry system. It is a joy to be in it's presence, and Richard is very happy to talk you through it all.



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Some proper cool and expensive parts on this car.

Do they use the S3/TT RS injectors?
I'm not sure if they are the same, but the ones above are from the Scirocco.
The used ones need to go off for cleaning, as with the ones currently fitted.
Everything needs to be new or new refurbished.
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I've been spending more money that I haven't got. I picked up a few boxes of engine ancillaries, which included:

turbo / manifold:



High pressure fuel pump:



I also spent some time on the simulator, which was awesome. I was 'driving' a BTCC Honda Civic, which was very twitchy!



.....and was then given a tour of the workshop:

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Oof, that turbo looks great with the ceramic coating.

Just-in-case spares ready for April I take it?

Sim looks great, workshop looks like a Santa's grotto of great machinery.

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Yeah, it's all in preparation for the 24. The turbo is an Owens Developments one, with fancy coating on the manifold.
It scares me that there is still plenty to be buying, including all sensors etc etc

The sim was amazing. I couldn't believe how good it was. Used by many GT & BTCC teams as a lot of the chassis parameters are adjustable. So, they can determine which way to go on chassis development before they get to the track.

The workshop photo is only half the story. It's twice the size as shown, with more LMP cars. There is also another 'shop, but with race ready cars.

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Does the engine share many bits with the road car, or is there a lot of bespoke stuff?

Sim sounds awesome, I keep reading about them in racecar engineering and it never ceases to amaze that they can code an environment that's accurate enough to be able to do real-world development from. Did they have a shaker rig there as well?

What's the plan with the shell as-is in terms of weight etc? Does it have to remain in a homologated state to meet the 24h regs, or can you trim some weight out of it? I suppose for endurance the weight isn't as much of a handicap as it is for sprint racing - strength goes a long way in 24h!
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Does the engine share many bits with the road car, or is there a lot of bespoke stuff?
It's a standard engine. The only difference is the turbo and a Seat Sport map.
There is a lot more cooling in there, including gearbox and power steering rads.

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Sim sounds awesome, I keep reading about them in racecar engineering and it never ceases to amaze that they can code an environment that's accurate enough to be able to do real-world development from. Did they have a shaker rig there as well?
I asked the resident 'geek' who does all the programming about how you go about getting a new car on there. They need all the parameters possible, including power and torque graphs, dyno graphs, roll centres, ARB lengths, CoG etc etc etc. Not as simple as just downloading a car from Google, so to speak.
Also, once they have developed a new car they do not share it, they are very precious about it for obvious reasons.

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What's the plan with the shell as-is in terms of weight etc? Does it have to remain in a homologated state to meet the 24h regs, or can you trim some weight out of it? I suppose for endurance the weight isn't as much of a handicap as it is for sprint racing - strength goes a long way in 24h!
It's very tempting to start messing with the shell in order to lose the weight, it's a heavy thing. It doesn't need to stay homologated, however it would affect re-sale. There is a growing championship in Ireland and they need to be standard to be eligible.
I'd argue that the weight is just as important in the 24, in so much as we want to save the brakes as much as possible. If we can save 15 mins pit stop time then that equates to 7 laps.
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You're right Mike, we couldn't strip any weight out of the FunCup car for the Spa 25 Hrs but we worked on the brake bias to get even wear on the brakes. This meant we didn't need to come in and change pads where others did. The same goes for fuel, you only want to come in when you're close to empty. Sounds easy but with no gauge, safety cars, full course yellows, and rain you need to know how much fuel the car uses in each situation. Ive got an excel programme you can have Mike if you havent already got one
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Yes please. ����
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What turbo does it use. I have a K04 from S3 on my Golf and it's good for up to 400bhp.

I also got the APR internals to build into my standard fuel pump, it's a lot cheaper than buying
A complete unit if you ever need one.
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I needed some spare bells to carry the spare rotors that I have. A quick look at the Seat Sport catalogue and I could see it was time to have my pants pulled down again.
I then spoke to one of the guys who races a Stuart Taylor Locosaki up here in the North West. He machines bells and conversion kits for AP, and is an approved AP supplier.
So, I whipped one of the current bells off and sent it down to him to copy.
Fast forward a few weeks and I had two shiny bells and quite a substantial saving in my back pocket.







I've also got the 'floating' mounting kit too.

It's been a very expensive month, not helped by the fact I had to pay the full entry fee yesterday
So, we are definitely 'in' and there's no going back.

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What turbo does it use. I have a K04 from S3 on my Golf and it's good for up to 400bhp.

I also got the APR internals to build into my standard fuel pump, it's a lot cheaper than buying
A complete unit if you ever need one.
It's a K04 Dave. Plenty for me as we are sticking to the 330bhp.

I emailed Awesome about servicing the APR pump, but heard nothing back. Is that where you got your internals from??
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I may need contact details for that bell man at some stage if that's ok.

I got all my tuning gear from ECS Tuning in America and brought it home in my case.
There is very little going on in the pump itself. I would however remove the pump and check cam
Follower and the lobe on the cam shaft itself for wear
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He makes billet calipers for a Birdcage... That'll do.

Yours look great, like the fact he lasered your name into them as well!
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They threw an AP catalogue in the box, their address details are laser etched onto the back page!!!
Awesome
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I was looking at the newly launched Britcar Endurance Championship, hoping that it could be a 'home' for the car.
They recently released their calendar (which looks good) and entry fees (which look bad!)
To do the season of eight rounds (between 2 and 4 hour races) it is 17,946...........no thanks.
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That's about right compared to Funcup Mike, assuming that's just your entry fees alone. Assuming you have 3 drivers its probably double what you would pay for a sprint race, but you should get more than double the track time
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Yeah, the 'value for money' side of things can't be argued with. It's when you lay it out in black and white and think about what else you could buy with the money that I question my sanity.........

BritCar total racing time = 1320mins (22 hours)
Cost= 17946
Cost/ minute = 13.60

Creventic total racing time= 7920mins (132 hours)
Cost= 29,700 Euros
Cost/ minute = 3.75Euros

CNC Heads total racing time= 240mins (4 hours)
Cost= 3840 (guestimate)
Cost/ minute = 16
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Yea racing in the UK is mega expensive compared to other countries, I dont think our Spa 25hr entry fee was much more than a standard uk race. A full 24hr series would be awesome, but would work out very expensive overall.
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Why is it so much more? That seems like a ridiculous fee for the Britcar in terms of cost/minute of track time.
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wow, our rallying costs roughly 7 Euros a minute going off the last entry of 440 and 60 minute total stage time.
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Rear geometry showing upright, rear toe link (there is one at front too), ARB, shock and mounting:

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Looking awesome mate, have you got a shopping list of to-do before April yet?

Possibly a stupid question, but why two rear toe links?
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Front one is camber, not toe

The list is as long as my arm, and involves a comprehensive order going in at Seat Sport.
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Duh, what a retard!

Bread and water for a month at your gaff then.
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It has been since I bought it. ��
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The annual pilgrimage to Autosport took place on Friday. Had a few meetings set-up, and needed to collect various items. I do think that the show needs a re-fresh. it's a good way to start the year, but it's the same old thing every year.

Anyway.......

(dive bottle trolley, spare radiator for PAS, brake bleeder bottle, new digital radio set-up and pad spreaders)

And then yesterday I came across a tyre rack for the trailer, which I couldn't say 'no' to......

(even though I am using a covered trailer for Silverstone )
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Is that the Gunson Eezibleed? Cracking bit of kit if you have the reservoir that fits their adapters!
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I know what you mean Mike, did you think it seemed smaller too? I heard from a few people that it was just getting too expensive to have a stand.
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