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Old 06-09-2004, 07:17 PM   #1
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Exclamation interesting gearbox info...need GTi stats

I've been trawling through the Peugeot parts list tonight trying to find a few bits for my Rallye - cant believe how many self tapping screws they do!!

anyway, started to look at the gearbox part numbers. I've always been lead to believe that the GTi and S2 Rallye boxes were identical....

well according to my part numbers they have a different part number because their final drives are different.....interesting! mmmmm!!

Here is what I reckon:

S1 Rallye TU2J2: 59x13 (crown & pinion) = final drive 4.54
S2 Rallye TU5J2: 65x16 = final drive 4.06
S2 GTI 16v TU5J4: 63x16 = final drive 3.93
S2 1.6 XS TU5JP: 64x17 = final drive 3.76
S2 1.4 Quiksilver TU3JP: 64x17 = final drive 3.76

Therefore S2 Rallye is shorter geared than GTi and makes the S2 Rallye box second shortest ratio after S1 Rallye

what do you think?
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Old 06-09-2004, 09:19 PM   #2
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All the actual gears 1-5 are identical part numbers for S1 Rallye, S2 Rallye and GTi...giving the same ratio's per gear.

1st 3.41
2nd 1.95
3rd 1.36
4th 1.05
5th 0.85

so in theory to get better acceleration you could fit the S1 shaft to your S2 gearbox which would change your ratio's per gear, instead of fitting a complete S1 box as they are hard to find and always seem to be a bit weak after 80K

There is a shaft listed which has a final drive ratio higher than an S1 Rallye!! - now that would be a nightmare on the motorway!!
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Old 07-09-2004, 12:02 AM   #3
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Me and a mate of mine have always thought the s2 and gti box are different , they seem very similar in the gear length but my rallye wont do as high speed in each gear , about 10mph difference in each one.
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Old 07-09-2004, 07:06 AM   #4
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I put these ratios into a gear/speed calculator, there doesn't seem to be much in it between the S2 and GTi.

Gearbox:- Pug 106 GTi
Tyre:- Goodyear 195/45 R15
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Top Gear gives 19.512 MPH/1000 RPM and a top speed of 141.464 MPH at 7250 RPM

Engine speeds in top gear:-
30 MPH = 1537 RPM 40 MPH = 2050 RPM 50 MPH = 2562 RPM 60 MPH = 3075 RPM
70 MPH = 3587 RPM 80 MPH = 4100 RPM 90 MPH = 4612 RPM 100 MPH = 5125 RPM

Top Speed in 1 gear = 35.262 MPH
And changes into 2 gear at 4146 RPM dropping 3104 RPM
Top Speed in 2 gear = 61.664 MPH
And changes into 3 gear at 5056 RPM dropping 2194 RPM
Top Speed in 3 gear = 88.415 MPH
And changes into 4 gear at 5597 RPM dropping 1653 RPM
Top Speed in 4 gear = 114.518 MPH
And changes into 5 gear at 5869 RPM dropping 1381 RPM
Top Speed in 5 gear = 141.464 MPH
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Gearbox:- Pug 106 S2 Rallye
Tyre:- Goodyear 195/45 R15
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Top Gear gives 18.887 MPH/1000 RPM and a top speed of 136.934 MPH at 7250 RPM

Engine speeds in top gear:-
30 MPH = 1588 RPM 40 MPH = 2118 RPM 50 MPH = 2647 RPM 60 MPH = 3177 RPM
70 MPH = 3706 RPM 80 MPH = 4236 RPM 90 MPH = 4765 RPM 100 MPH = 5295 RPM

Top Speed in 1 gear = 34.133 MPH
And changes into 2 gear at 4146 RPM dropping 3104 RPM
Top Speed in 2 gear = 59.689 MPH
And changes into 3 gear at 5056 RPM dropping 2194 RPM
Top Speed in 3 gear = 85.584 MPH
And changes into 4 gear at 5597 RPM dropping 1653 RPM
Top Speed in 4 gear = 110.851 MPH
And changes into 5 gear at 5869 RPM dropping 1381 RPM
Top Speed in 5 gear = 136.934 MPH
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Gearbox:- Pug 106 S1 Rallye
Tyre:- Goodyear 195/45 R15
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Top Gear gives 16.891 MPH/1000 RPM and a top speed of 122.456 MPH at 7250 RPM

Engine speeds in top gear:-
30 MPH = 1776 RPM 40 MPH = 2368 RPM 50 MPH = 2960 RPM 60 MPH = 3552 RPM
70 MPH = 4144 RPM 80 MPH = 4736 RPM 90 MPH = 5328 RPM 100 MPH = 5920 RPM

Top Speed in 1 gear = 30.524 MPH
And changes into 2 gear at 4146 RPM dropping 3104 RPM
Top Speed in 2 gear = 53.378 MPH
And changes into 3 gear at 5056 RPM dropping 2194 RPM
Top Speed in 3 gear = 76.535 MPH
And changes into 4 gear at 5597 RPM dropping 1653 RPM
Top Speed in 4 gear = 99.131 MPH
And changes into 5 gear at 5869 RPM dropping 1381 RPM
Top Speed in 5 gear = 122.456 MPH
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Old 07-09-2004, 07:53 AM   #5
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There is a shaft listed which has a final drive ratio higher than an S1 Rallye!! - now that would be a nightmare on the motorway!![/QUOTE]


That may be usefull, there is a 106 rallye that competes in road rallies in Wales, usually on Anglesey, he is running 13'' wheels/tyres and it goes like stink. Most sprint/road rally 106/205 cars fit 13'' wheels and the cost of ultimate top end speed as this is not important.

Mark,

was this final drive fitted to any peugeots or is it just an optional extra, is thier a part number and price?
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Old 07-09-2004, 08:46 AM   #6
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cool that meens i have done 136.934 MPH in my rallye
cos i can bounce it of the rev limiter in 5th...

hahaha class
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Old 07-09-2004, 09:00 AM   #7
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I put these ratios into a gear/speed calculator, there doesn't seem to be much in it between the S2 and GTi.
nah there aint much in it at all, only 2 more teeth!! But there is a difference all the same.

Can you do those figures again but with 14" standard wheels, as the 15" rims are gonna affect the gearing from standard stats.

How have you got those figures again? Put the final drive and internal ratio's into a gearbox calculater?
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Old 07-09-2004, 09:38 AM   #8
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Can you let me know the standard tyre size?

I'll dig out where I found the calculator and post a link.

Edit:
I used the tyre size calulator to get the circumference of the tyre, then put the gearbox info and tyre info into the Quaife Gear/Speed Calcluator.
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Old 07-09-2004, 10:39 AM   #9
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Now with standard tyre sizes, although they are different on the GTi and Rallye.


Gearbox:- 106 Gti
Tyre:- 185/55 R14
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Top Gear gives 19.604 MPH/1000 RPM and a top speed of 142.127 MPH at 7250 RPM

Engine speeds in top gear:-
30 MPH = 1530 RPM 40 MPH = 2040 RPM 50 MPH = 2551 RPM 60 MPH = 3061 RPM
70 MPH = 3571 RPM 80 MPH = 4081 RPM 90 MPH = 4591 RPM 100 MPH = 5101 RPM

Top Speed in 1 gear = 35.428 MPH
And changes into 2 gear at 4146 RPM dropping 3104 RPM
Top Speed in 2 gear = 61.953 MPH
And changes into 3 gear at 5056 RPM dropping 2194 RPM
Top Speed in 3 gear = 88.829 MPH
And changes into 4 gear at 5597 RPM dropping 1653 RPM
Top Speed in 4 gear = 115.055 MPH
And changes into 5 gear at 5869 RPM dropping 1381 RPM
Top Speed in 5 gear = 142.127 MPH
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Gearbox:- 106 Rallye S2
Tyre:- 175/60 R14
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Top Gear gives 19.196 MPH/1000 RPM and a top speed of 139.174 MPH at 7250 RPM

Engine speeds in top gear:-
30 MPH = 1563 RPM 40 MPH = 2084 RPM 50 MPH = 2605 RPM 60 MPH = 3126 RPM
70 MPH = 3647 RPM 80 MPH = 4167 RPM 90 MPH = 4688 RPM 100 MPH = 5209 RPM

Top Speed in 1 gear = 34.691 MPH
And changes into 2 gear at 4146 RPM dropping 3104 RPM
Top Speed in 2 gear = 60.666 MPH
And changes into 3 gear at 5056 RPM dropping 2194 RPM
Top Speed in 3 gear = 86.984 MPH
And changes into 4 gear at 5597 RPM dropping 1653 RPM
Top Speed in 4 gear = 112.665 MPH
And changes into 5 gear at 5869 RPM dropping 1381 RPM
Top Speed in 5 gear = 139.174 MPH
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Gearbox:- 106 Rallye S1
Tyre:- 175/60 R14
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Top Gear gives 17.167 MPH/1000 RPM and a top speed of 124.460 MPH at 7250 RPM

Engine speeds in top gear:-
30 MPH = 1748 RPM 40 MPH = 2330 RPM 50 MPH = 2913 RPM 60 MPH = 3495 RPM
70 MPH = 4078 RPM 80 MPH = 4660 RPM 90 MPH = 5243 RPM 100 MPH = 5825 RPM

Top Speed in 1 gear = 31.024 MPH
And changes into 2 gear at 4146 RPM dropping 3104 RPM
Top Speed in 2 gear = 54.252 MPH
And changes into 3 gear at 5056 RPM dropping 2194 RPM
Top Speed in 3 gear = 77.787 MPH
And changes into 4 gear at 5597 RPM dropping 1653 RPM
Top Speed in 4 gear = 100.753 MPH
And changes into 5 gear at 5869 RPM dropping 1381 RPM
Top Speed in 5 gear = 124.460 MPH
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Old 07-09-2004, 06:33 PM   #10
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so that meant the s1 rallye will do 127.0305 at 7400rpm?????
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Old 07-09-2004, 11:25 PM   #11
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Awesome. I kinda knew there was a difference. But gave up saying it ages ago cos they were so close that other people made convincing arguments.

Sisters XS is far more relaxed at motorway speeds.

Nice to see that not only are rallyes lighter than GTi but slightly shorter geared.

Nice! Though equivalently only adds a bhp or so in comparisons.

But the gear part numbers are the same which is interesting as there was also rumblings of stronger gear cogs in the rallyes?

Or was this only the S1 rallye compared to other S1 106's?
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Old 08-09-2004, 10:15 AM   #12
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yeah Slik, I heard that too, that the S1 rallye has stronger internals - I'm slowly working my way through the Peugeot myths!!
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Old 10-09-2004, 12:24 PM   #13
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Interesting reading.

Which Peugeot has got a shorter FD ratio than the S1 Rallye Mark?
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But the gear part numbers are the same which is interesting as there was also rumblings of stronger gear cogs in the rallyes?
I heard that the s1 had better synchros that allowed easy 5th to 2nd changes and the like. is this a myth too?
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Steel synchro's?
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